Redux: Gun control meeting in Paris anyone?

[Steve Morris]

(That subject line should get the attention of all you NRAers out there.)

Last year I proposed that many representatives of the powers-that-be in PB get together in Paris and investigate ways to get guns under control. It seemed that it would have been worthwhile for people from the gunmakers, players, ref organizations, any interested promoters and expert gun techs to get together and try to agree on standards or other measures to bring back semiauto.

There was almost zero interest shown.

I certainly don't have the moxie to pull together such a meeting in Paris but it sure seems high time that PB folks got together and agreed on certified tournament-approved boards (such as Mr Chicago has suggested here many times) so things could be worked out BEFORE next season for implementation then.

Right now I believe that we have to keep a realistically supervised (read: much in-game monitoring with reliable devices) 15bps limit and try to hold down the ramping and especially break modes. If we get enough devices and can train everyone properly I think we will get better at enforcing the gun rules. And the gun-check procedures may need to be slightly amended.

By the end of the season we will all know what 15bps sounds like.

I generally agree with Robbo's article that ramping, especially with runaway shots, is dangerous and will, given enough time, result in an accident. And it is even more dangerous with the PB hoses that are spitting out momentary ROFs of over 30bps (I'll get bonafide measurements on that soon) under the name "semi-only". A change is needed in both the PSP/Millennium camp and in the NPPL one IMO.

Therefore I hope we can start next season with tamper-sealed, approved tournament boards that cap ROF at 15 and are certified semiauto. Then we have to have severe penalties for violators such as one-year suspensions and teams playing short for a certain number of games, or whatever works.

Perhaps for the few and proud that can shoot faster than 15bps, we can test them and give them a special-colored players' ID or an armband that indicates their individual cap.

Gunmaking peepz are showing an interest in a certified-board solution. I think something realistic could be worked out.

Can't you guys get together in Chicago, Paris, maybe Denver? All you key people know who you are. Somebody needs to pull together some leadership and get this **** worked out.

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

I really don't think it's complicated Steve

- Cap ROF at 15
- No more than one shot after last triggerPULL

Job done

All you then have to focus on, is catching the cheaters..... and that is the tricky part.... which has been debated to no end in here, and which cannot be sorted out, until boards (and programming) is available to scrutiny by officials.

We can then debate that for hours... but at the end of the day, nothing will be accomplished, until one of the major series grows the stones to make it a requirement - with about 6 months notice.

Nick

 

[Steve Morris]

I really don't think it's complicated Steve

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
- Cap ROF at 15
- No more than one shot after last triggerPULL

....which cannot be sorted out, until boards (and programming) is available to scrutiny by officials.

That's what I'm saying. The leagues and the others need to get together NOW to agree on standardization of certified, tamper-sealed boards so we can have that ready for next season.

Maybe a pipe dream but that's what we need IMO.

 

[Jaime Menino]

Isn't easier just to get some boards like the matrix/dm ones standard enforceable on all markers, and each tournament provide a chip, let's call it a tournament chip. Anyone caught without this chip in the tournament gets a full year or more ban.

It's a quick step program.
Demand standard boards on tournaments.
Provide chip with serial number and tournament ID on it.
Enforce the use of clear grips on the area of the chip for a fast checking.

That way every player as the same code.
Random code checks can be done after the event or during the event (just switch the chip).
And everyone can use semi auto markers with no rof caps.

Because the marker makers aren’t doing squat, when it’s a major appealing difference on the product they sell, "my marker shoots faster than yours deal".

My 2 cents
Jaime

 

[JAC]

I really don't think it's complicated Steve

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
- Cap ROF at 15
- No more than one shot after last triggerPULL

Nick
How many boards with PSP mode do this nowadays?
The ROF Cap work on all of them but how about only one more shot per trigger pull?
I know that EGOs, Timmys, and Angels don't do this for sure ,and even some Matrix don't do this.

I agree thatt shouldn't be allowed runaway triggers. My point is the only way to avoid that ramping shouldn't be allowed.15 BPS semi-auto only is the only SURE way to maintain those two simple rules...

JAC

 

[chrismrgn]

That is a really gd idea, however will people not just make chips that look like the tournament chips and can have their special features turned off and on with a custom code?

 

[JAC]

Originally posted by chrismrgn
That is a really gd idea, however will people not just make chips that look like the tournament chips and can have their special features turned off and on with a custom code?

Random check of chips (like Jaime suggested) would require to players surrender their marker to the inspector , the chip would be removed and if extra code (no matter what it would be) is found on the chip the player could be banned from MS for the Season and the team DQ for the event... This could be done at players area, after game etc etc

I think if the punishement would be that severe no one would try that (since chip validation would be simple as opposed to checking if a gun bounces etc etc in the past and present rules...)

JAC

Edited for clarification...

 

[chrismrgn]

Originally posted by JAC
Random check of chips (like Jaime suggested) would require to players surrender their marker to the inspector , the chip would be removed and if extra code (no matter what it would be) is found on the chip the player could be banned from MS for the Season and the team DQ for the event... This could be done at players area, after game etc etc

Ahh i see your point, checked in the players area where they have all the time in the world!!

Yea if the punishments are harsh enough no one will cheat....


Bring back hangings!!

 

[JAC]

Originally posted by chrismrgn
Bring back hangings!! [/B]

Not a bad ideia

Players area is only one place were you could check...after the game would be more interesting. But even at players area you wouldn't hang with the gun without the chip ... or changing the chip every time...

the point is :there is always a way to break rules. You only have to find a way that would take so long to break them or that woud be so difficult, that make people think twice about doing it... Maybe it is impossible to do this in Paintball...maybe not...
JAC

PS- You can always argue that you can make a board with a false spot for the tournament chip and have the real chip hidden from view... but again "There is always a bigger fish"

 

[chrismrgn]

It is a good idea, but then you come across all the markers that dont have chips, and people that are against buying yet another board for their latest gat!