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dannyp16uk

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when i looked at the articles pete(robbo) has written he has done a few on guns,now it seems to suggest to me that he says no gun is better than another and they all shoot with the same acuracy speed distance etc,now im not sure how that can be,i mean guns that you buy are better than one another in all those aspects above other than speed as almost all guns are set at the same speed.
what i dont understand is,if you put a tippmann 98 against an angel with all the mod cons the person thats bound to win will be the bloke/woman(not sexiest) with the angel.why?
the tippmann is suposedly th same in the phisycal aspects.

this ist no stab at you robbo i just needed to know thats all.needed it clearing up in my head
thanks

dan :)
 

Buddha 3

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Okay, I'm not Robbo, but I'll try to explain.

The reason a stock Angel is perceived as being more accurate than a stock Tipmann is simple: (for this example we'll assume both markers have the same air source)
First of all, the stock barrel that comes with the Angel is a pretty nice one, two stage bore, nice and smooth finish, the works. The barrel that you get with a stock Tipmann is, compared to the infinity barrel on the Angel, just a piece of metal with a hole in it. It isn't nearly as well finished as that of the Angel, which results in all kinds of unpredictable frictions causing all kinds of spinning on the ball, which in turn results in a ball going god knows where.
To negate this advantage, let's assume we put the same barrels on the two markers. It now no longer is a contest of marker/barrel versus marker/barrel, but just marker versus marker.
What will make the Tipmann lose in this situation is consistency. The shot to shot consistency, measured in fps, is nowhere near as good on the Tipmann,as it is on the Angel. This results in one ball coming out at, say, 285 fps, the next one at 274. This means that one ball will fly further than the other one, meaning it has a different trajectory. In turn making it look like the gun is way inaccurate, because it's balls don't form nice and tight groups. The Angel will make tighter groupings, because the difference in fps between shots is far smaller, thereby causing less difference in trajectory.

In all honesty, it is probably possible to make a Tipmann just as accurate (although we should really use the word consistent), but it would involve getting a grade A barrel, a superduper air source (Angel A.I.R. or Armageddon or suchlike) and a lot of regulators and aftermarket upgrades. All this results in getting an air source that is two to three times as expensive as the marker, and when you count in all the upgrades needed, you'll be in a price range not too far removed from that of an Angel. So it would be a bit silly, because you'll spend more or less the same amount, and yes, you'll have two equal markers in consistency, but the Angel will beat the Tipmann hands down in rate of fire, looks (though that's just an opinion ofcourse), and ergonomics (ease of servicing the marker, etc.)

Hope this explained it somewhat.
 

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Another factor that makes a difference is that the tipman kicks like a mule. The recoil shakes the gun around taking it off target. You must notice that if a gun kicks a bit less then your shots are more accurate. Ever tried shooting a magnum?
 

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One area that also requires attention is the how soft each gun is on the ball. Whats the use of ball on ball accuracy if 1 in 100 balls chop or burst. Certainly the tippman would fall down here as its internals and operating pressure smash balls to pieces.
The new electonic eyes do make a huge difference, but if it fails, boy do you see a gun chopping at 13 balls a second. This is one area where shockers score higher than most. King would be, in my opinion, a well sorted cocker. My own, a one off custom, has had only one barrel burst in over 10 tournies, but it did burst one in the breach when I dropped it on floor waiting for a game, doh!

Aside from that good paint is the key, if the paint is incredible all teams guns tend to be superb. If crap...you know how it is.
 

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Originally posted by dannyp16uk
when i looked at the articles pete(robbo) has written he has done a few on guns,now it seems to suggest to me that he says no gun is better than another and they all shoot with the same acuracy speed distance etc,now im not sure how that can be,i mean guns that you buy are better than one another in all those aspects above other than speed as almost all guns are set at the same speed.
what i dont understand is,if you put a tippmann 98 against an angel with all the mod cons the person thats bound to win will be the bloke/woman(not sexiest) with the angel.why?
the tippmann is suposedly th same in the phisycal aspects.

this ist no stab at you robbo i just needed to know thats all.needed it clearing up in my head
thanks

dan :)

Hey Dan,
Sorry mate, I didn't know this post was up since I rarely come in to this section, but to answer your question, I think Budha pretty much does it for me.
I would add that it is really the mindset of a player that is so significant, if he or she 'think' their gun and set up are the dogs bollocks, then for the most part, they are gonna play to his or her potential with the gun's performance running parallel.
Far too much is made of a particular guns ascendancy over some others that we tend to lose sight of what is really important and that is how we 'play' the game.
As I said in a previous post in a previous thread, if I come up against you on the field, I don't care how many frikkin stripes you got on your gun, I am gonna beat your ass coz I am gonna play better.
That by the way is not a boast, it is merely for you to understand what Paintball is really about.
Hope this has been of some help !!
Robbo