Not just another cheating thread!

[Gibbsey]

We all know cheating is bad blah blah ...ramping...shot stacking...blah

BUT

How deep does this really go? I mean players get caught with dodgy guns on some of the biggest Pro teams in the world, it doesnt happen often but it does happen! a certain incident in this months PGI got me thinking, a major teams baby brother team (say no more) got booted because of a naughty gun.

Is it at all possible SPONSORS themselves have things to do with this? I say too f*cking right it is.

The advantage to an induvidual player is no where near as great as an advantage to a sponsor by the team having cheating guns?

Not accusing anyone...let the banning commence!

 

[Bolter]

No I don't think so. Dynasty dropped the offending player from the team if I remember right. He had been told all weekend to turn his naughty gun down, and didnt listen and then he cost entourage a place in the NPPL Pro bracket.

Smart Parts or Dynasty would not want that to happen. An individuals gun is his own.

 

[Baca Loco]

Without making any comment on the particular incident alluded to I think in general Bolter you are being naive.
While it ain't universal there is, and has been, collusion to "cheat" at various aspects of PB competitions from all ranks of participants at every level back into PB's Stone Age. It ain't new but it is true--at least on occasion.

 

[HERMITT]

Do you want you sponsored team to win or not? Do you make boards? Do you know how to programme them?

You do? Well i believe that the answer as to whether teams have a little extra helpfrom their sponsors is clear.

 

[Flash-Bugout]

You're the manager of a team who's pushing to be at the top, if you don't look at every (and I mean EVERY) option and method that you have, then you aren't doing your job.

Yes, that includes questionable, and downright illegal methods, but the rewards for being up there are worth the risk.

And heck, if one of your players gets caught with a naughty gat/wiping/whatever, then your team takes the hit, and if the hit is sufficiently large, you make a big public show of droppiing the player, thereby "doing the right thing" in the publics eyes.

 

[Bolter]

I know that Mr Baca Sir, I was remembering the official comment from a Dynasty player. My words maybe not exact, but thats roughly the gist of what was said. But, why would entourage throw away a spot in NPPL due to a sponsor involved gun cheating incident? I have a feeling the player was at fault on this one as it was worth too much money to do otherwise.

 

[shamu]

There's a wide variety of cheater boards out there now, but that's just in the last year or two. Where do you think teams got ramping/stacking/non-standard boards a couple of years ago? Maybe from the only people who could program them (the manufacturers, for those who are slow)

Certainly the gun sponsors know what's going on most of the time with regards to cheater boards. The two key words to remember are "plausible deniability", also known as the "gee, we didn't know he was doing that..." excuse. (see the previously discussed incident for an example of this in action)

 

[Flash-Bugout]

Originally posted by Bolter
But, why would entourage throw away a spot in NPPL due to a sponsor involved gun cheating incident?

Why would a gun sponsor provide a gat that ramps/bounces/whatever, and by doing so looks like it's shoosting twice as many bulets as the competitors gat, and by shoosting that many bullets allows the sponsored team to dominate all the lanes, and win more games?

Originally posted by Bolter
I have a feeling the player was at fault on this one as it was worth too much money to do otherwise.

Surely the amount of money involved is enough incentive for the sponsor to push the envelope?

(not saying that any particular sponsor would do any of the above of course, at least, they wouldn't admit it in public now would they).

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Bolter
I know that Mr Baca Sir, I was remembering the official comment from a Dynasty player. My words maybe not exact, but thats roughly the gist of what was said. But, why would entourage throw away a spot in NPPL due to a sponsor involved gun cheating incident? I have a feeling the player was at fault on this one as it was worth too much money to do otherwise.

As I said--I'm not directing my remarks to a particular incident as I understood the thread starter to be about the general topic of how far does "cheating" reach, not merely about the thinly veiled example given.
If you're rehashing the defense of that specific incident--that's okay--but I was reading it in a larger context--and as a consequence "read" your first post in the same way. My mistake.

I would say that I don't think most sponsors take an active role in the conduct of their sponsored teams one way or the other. Sure, some have "rules" and others suggest this, that or the other but--call me cynical--I think most of them rather NOT know as long as the results are there.
And, of course, what sponsors want and what teams want aren't always the same thing but that's a different thread.

Shamu does have a point tho too. 'Course there have been a few well placed teams who hired outside the industry to re-program their boards, as well.

 

[Bolter]

ok I agree, good point Shamu and Baca