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Robbo

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I have had a long time to reflect on what we been doing over here with regard to the Millennium Board and the more I think about what's happened the more ridiculous it all seems to be.

I wanna go thru some of their decisions and climb-downs just so's u guys know what's been happening and why, coz I'm sick to death of hearing their stoopid mandates only for them to be reversed when I, or common sense, stick their nose in.

Let's take the pro team mandatory judging rule, it was a frikkin farce and I told them so and it got changed, they couldn't work it out for themselves for some reason but when I laid it out, they had to reverse their decision, and here's why.

Jus before I do, there’s a little addendum to this fiasco that I won’t mention at the moment but if I hear one molecule of bollocks from any of them, or denial in any form of the things they have said to me, then I am gonna spout it out like a frikkin waterfall.

Two promoters told me that it was the responsibility of the board to provide good reffing, no problem so far, they then went on to decide that since they believed the pro teams to be the best refs, they would MAKE them judge before they were allowed in as pros, frikkin blackmail !!!!!

They then went on to tell me that because they had made it mandatory for the pros to ref, everybody would now benefit.
True, the frikkin promoters benefited as well as all the teams who attended that tournament because the pros were now judging.

But hold on a minute, the pro teams have to fork out hundreds of pounds out of their own pocket to fulfil the responsibility of the promoters and the promoters didn't wanna meet the expense of the said pro teams.
They preferred to MAKE the pro teams judge at their own expense blackmailing them into doing so by not allowing them to play as pros unless they did.
And all this instead of just paying them to do it, Yes paying the pros.
I mean, u wanna job done, u pay somebody, u meet their expenses at least for god sake, not make them do it out of their own pocket. How frikkin cheap and nasty can u get ?
It’s like us turning up a tourney and demanding not to pay, the promoters put on a tourney, we pay. The pros put on a judging show, the pros pay ???
No frikkin way !!!!
When I explained to two of the promoters that if all the teams benefited from the pros judging then just put an extra 10 Euros a player to cater for the expense of meeting the judges expenses, I mean, they lobbed on that 30 Euro charge for the registration card fiasco when they wanted to develop another income stream quick enough.
They had to reverse their mandate and did so !!!

And now we come to the X-Ball fiasco, I will leave aside for the moment the lunacy in their initial decision to deny a team based X-Ball and concentrate on what happened after they had decided to go Nation based.
Once they had decided to run Nations based, they naturally came in for so much criticism and ridicule, well it went on for so long that I got a phone call about three weeks ago and was asked if I could find a way to organise a team based X-Ball league over here and they wanted it to run alongside the Nations based.
I nearly fell off my frikkin chair, what a joke !!!
They weren't doing it because it was the right thing to do; they were doing it to appease the howling wolves.
And what a half assed, way too late attempt it was and at the same time putting it at my frikkin feet to try and come up with a team based solution, I told then no frikkin way, u made your bed, it's way too late to do anything.

So, the Millennium are now stuck, they have to try and rescue some face with regard to Nation’s based X-Ball, so the only way out is to try and legitimise this new tourney and then along come a saviour in the form of Strange.
Strange wanted to play X-Ball over here but there was a problem, the rules stated that the national line up must be derived from more than one team.
So, what do the Millennium board do ?
They forsake the rule and allow Strange to come in, the reason ?
Well, from the Millennium board's perspective, they could save a whole lot of face if Strange got involved because they are a big name team from the US and this would go a long way in rescuing some face and legitimising the tournament if they could somehow reverse the rules and let them in.
They didn't give two ****s about us over here; they just wanted to gain some much needed integrity for themselves via the Nations cup.

And now what do we have ?
We have Dynasty, knocking on the door, reminding the Board of their initial rule; in that the top seeded captain from last year should pick the team.
Oh my what do the board do now ?
What a dilemma for them, do they reverse the rule once again ?
And if they do, I am pretty sure Paul Alders of Strange will run riot with them because the whole point for Paul was that he could hone his own X-Ball squad in our X-Ball nations tourney, not give up some of his players to play in the US squad along with Dynasty, that is, if any of them get picked !!!!
But if the board leave it as it is and don’t reverse the initial reversal, then Dynasty are gonna be soooo pissed !!
Oh my, oh my, what do they do

As for the padded shirts, well, another great idea, that was until they realised that Dye was going to be pissed off.
Now the padding in my opinion is not a problem, it falls short of a line that has to be drawn somewhere on this issue.
But their reversal just exemplifies their ineptitude when it comes to making decisions and rules.

Jeeeeez
 

Rich S

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it just seems so stupid...

but at least robbo now has spelled it out they may realise that they do seem to be a bit stupid.
 

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nice one Robbo, it looks like your picking up a septic accent though look how many times u use the word frikkin!! LOL

take it easy dude!
 

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Originally posted by Wadidiz
O.K. Pete. You've clarified and analyzed the problems, perhaps correctly. What do you suggest be done now?

Steve

Steve, nice meeting u again by the way in Huntingdon, was a pleasure, anyway, as for what to do, they just need to consult some switched on players more and bounce off some people, people like yourself or Chris Gosling..... so that they have an outisde perspective on things...all they are doing now is just making fools of themselves at the expense of us over here.

It just seems to me they don't know their arse from their elbow at the moment and I dont think it can change unless as Matt (Rancid) suggested, they take on some level headed non execs on the board.
But knowing them, they would announce in a flurry of excitement that this was to be their decision and then just reverse it :)
Pete
 

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Incorporation !

Originally posted by Nick Iuel-Brockdorff
I'll tell you what the big problem is !

As opposed to the PSP and NPPL - Millennium is not incorporated.

This means that it's just a loose formation of promoters, that do things that are mutually benificial.

BUT - because they are not incorporated, every promoter is on his own financially, so something that benefits 5 of the tournaments, is vetoed by the 6th promoter, because it hurts his particular event.

If the Millennium was incorporated, they would be able to take a loss at one event, but make it up at the 5 others.

We have sensible people voicing sensible oppinions - just for them to be reversed because some promoter suddenly realises he'll take a loss personally.

Nick
Nick, I doubt that would work, it being an almost socialist approach with regard to the promoters, I mean, can u see Niall and Laurent sharing out their monies earned with Mag, Pedro and Manfred ????
Ohhh nooo, that ain't gonna happen.
Pete
 

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I'm not saying it's realistic

Originally posted by Nick Iuel-Brockdorff

Looking ahead, I see Pure Promotions putting Millennium out of business - with the best 3-4 Euro events being a part of the NPPL - eventually.
Although the Millennium seem to be trying to hedge their bets this year by trying to appease PSP with Xball and the Dye shirts thing and still keeping NPPL on board with the rulebook links etc as it's the only way they'll really get the major US Pro's.

I don't envy their position, but the fact that don't quite know which way to jump now is perhaps starting to undermine all the immense good they've done for Euro ball with all the (apparent) indecision.

Solution? possibly them throwing their hat in with one or other US series, but then that's a risk.

And Pete, I too don't think the Dye shirts in themselves are a major problem, but I do think the line is soo much easier to draw when it's "no shoulder padding - period" than "no excessive padding" as that term excessive is soo much more open to interpretation and arguement.
 

Robbo

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Nick, I agree, if Pure Promotions come in for Europe, then the Millennium have little chance I'm afraid bearing in mind their recent performances.
As for their (Millennium Board) trying to keep as many irons in the fire as possible, this makes sound business sense but they have not got the abillity it seems to manage that two partnered dance effectively.
Laurent is the mastermind in that lot, make no mistake about that but he has allowed petty parochical, small time interests from other promoters to get in the way of what was needed.

It's ironic that Laurent's accomodation of some other people on the board could well open up a chink in the Millennium armour for others to stream in and take the Euro tournament circiut over.

But if Pure Promotions does come in, you can bet your bet your bottom dollar they ain't gonna be piss-assing around like this lot have been.

Beaker, re the Dye shirts, I agree, it would be easier, and if it had been done years ago then we wouldnt be here now m8.

Pete