Marshaling Query

[Bunka Monky]

One thing i did notice at the campaign cup that as far as i can see aint covered in the rules is the calling of a player neutral, well specifically when the marshal's wiping off paint. If a player gets called neutral then once checked the marshal should tuck him back in behind his bunker then call him back in, not leave him hanging 2 foot out and call him live. But if a marshals wiping a bit of spray or chrushed paint then when the marshals in contact with him is he classed as neutral? Cos when the marshals wiping your arm or even yah gun your not gonna be aiming straight? just wondering, being picky or just posting something cos im bored.

Dan

 

[Tiny(D.R)]

Hello Again.

Yeah your right, as a Marshall, if i disturb a player for any reason. I mean physicly adjust the player in any way he or she r then netrual. You must make sure that they r back in cover & ready to play. But as a Marshall you must try & keep the game flowing as well which is a fine balance.

Don't forget Marshalls make mistakes they r only Human, you must take the good calls with the bad calls, it just the way it is.

 

[Wadidiz]

Perhaps you've had a look at the Millennium rules for neutrality. It is section 9.1.

A player has to be declared neutral for a hit that comes while being checked not to count. All aggressive movement and action against a neutral player must be stopped. It isn't spelled out, but it is left to common sense that a neutral player must be tucked back in before the neutrality is declared off. If a player is called neutral while out it in the open (which is highly unusual and should be avoided even more than otherwise, and should be done when it is the only possible way to make a fair call) then the neutral player must be placed in a safe position before being called clean. An opponent who is also caught out in the open during such a call may also be sent back to the closest cover position. At least that is the way I have done it and the way I have seen it done. Shields can be very helpful under such circumstances.

I usually try to check and keep a player clean of non-hits without calling a player neutral because the rules state that we should avoid neutral calls as much as possible, because the games are fast-paced and should be allowed to continue to flow as much as possible. But a ref who sees that a neutral call is the only way to perform a fair check should not be considered a poor ref. Sometimes failure to use a neutral call results in a poor call.

I always talk to the players as I'm approaching them. I say, "Keep playing.", "Don't get distracted", " I'm going to wipe some paint off your legs", " I need to check your marker", etc.

Does this help?

Steve

 

[Russell Smith]

I was going to bore you with a in depth reply about how it should be done and then i read wadidiz reply and it says it all really.

Well said Steve.

 

[Bunka Monky]

yeh thats cool, thats how i'd probably marshal it. But specific things like that need to be set out really. If a marshals crouching behind a bunker wiping paint off the gun surely then hes neutral. But it would be down 2 the other marshals to stop the other players making a direct or even indirect move on that player.
Just something i spotted in campaign but i spose common sense will prevail, we can but only hope

 

[Wadidiz]

Thanks for the compliment, Russel.

Again, to reiterate, Bunka Monky: a player is not neutral unless and until she/he is declared so. A player who hasn't been declared neutral is fair game. The neutral call must be made loudly and clearly so that the other team and especially the refs on the other side of the field can make sure everyone respects that neutrality. An opponent who mistakenly moves toward that neutral player must be moved back. Any player who ignores the neutral call blatantly should be eliminated from the game (a judgment call).

Good judges shouldn't be dicks to the players they are checking or wiping. They should do everything they can to do their job in a way that least interferes and respects the players.

Steve

 

[Bunka Monky]

Yeh i know that but what i said in my first post is when a marshal is in contact with a player weather that player should be called neutral or not. Tiny said that wheneve he is in contact with a player that player should be declared neutral. What i saw in campaign was when a marshal was wiping a hit/spray from the players armi wasn't 2 sure from the sideline, but he wasn't declared neutral.

 

[Tiny(D.R)]

Bunker: Sometime if u can, you have to judge the game, quickly wipe down a player. Half the time i don't hear marshalls shout neutral when i'm playing. Common sense should preval if a marshall is with a player don't shot them!!!!

Same goes with the other Marshalls on the field, if i was with a player for what ever reason, they should stop moves which that player will affect.

Marshalling is just as much about team work as playing.

 

[Jamie B]

A player is never called neutral unless they have to be, if a player can be wiped down (or whatever) while letting that player and the game carry on,then whats the point in breaking up the game?

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by jamie b (campaign)
A player is never called neutral unless they have to be, if a player can be wiped down (or whatever) while letting that player and the game carry on,then whats the point in breaking up the game?

Just to elaborate on this and the last few posts:

A neutral call does exist in the Millennium and NPPL rules, and for a very good purpose. Sometimes it is the only way to make a fair and proper paintcheck. But it should be avoided as much as possibe. I'll repeat what I said before: a necessary neutral call doesn't equal a bad judge. Sometimes not using this tool when necessary to get the job done properly is the sign of bad reffing.

And the other point: a player is fair and open game if she/he has not been called neutral. No reservations need be made about that.

Cheers,

Steve