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mikeyR

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............I have some questions first.

How hard are Cockers to maintain ? :confused:

I'm not that technically minded but I will look after it properly and will learn to fix things if they go wrong, but I'm not going to be constantly fiddling for better performance, which leads me on to my next question.

I thought a 2003 Vertical feed Cocker would suffice but I wanted to know the most basic things I should get upgraded first, those things that you would consider essential.

I dont want it tricked out to the max, because I have limited funds, and if I did have the funds then I'd be buying an Angel! :)

I want it to be consistent and easy to maintain. Should I be looking at a slightly better model in the range that will give me the 'essential' upgrades out of the box?

I also want to get an air system, again money is an issue, will a preset system be fine? (Why preset? I dont want to keep fiddling!)

After already searching the Techroom, there were too many threads with Autocoker in them for me to wade through, so I'll apologise if youve already given this info out before and your a little bored of the same questions. :)

Thanks in advance for any help. :D
 

Parksy

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Cockers if timed properly do not in general go wrong in my experience :)

A stock 2k3 cocker will perform well out the box, and to be honest upgrades for cockers are down to preference. There are that many of them out there you can spend a fortune on them, new bolts, valves, barrels, electronic frames, 3-ways etc etc etc.

For the price though an Outkast cocker is nice, and has several of the main bits that people upgrade already done, different bomb, reg, 3-way etc.

As for a preset reg, well I ran one on my STO and my eclipse cocker with never a problem. Think I'm the same as you, just like to get me marker out and play for the day without having to fiddle with anything, and thats exactly what I have done with all 4 of the cockers I have owned.

As long as you don't fiddle with them they don't generally go wrong, and contrary to what some people say they are one of the most reliable markers you can get :)

Hope that helps.

Dave
 

Tom Allen

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I must say that i am not a fan of the cocker in it's many forms, but as l1f3 says, they are reliable guns, as long as you don't fiddle with them.
They can be a pig to sort out when they go wrong, but there is a lot more info about now to keep them running sweet, so good luck.
 

Dark Warrior

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WGP 2003 essential upgrades
1. New barrel -
Dye Ultralite Quality at a fair price
Dye Xcel good and very cheap
2. Rex Dialer kit -
Allows you to adjust velocity by using a allen key
 

dr.strangelove

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The Vengeance 2.0 by System X (or X Enterprises, as they're now known) comes with every possible upgrade you could want. Aftermarket barrel, rebuildable detent, nifty frame with externally adjustable trigger stops, drop forward, front pneumy's, milled body, fade anodizing in several popular colors, bolt, all you need to do is stick on an air tank and a hopper and that baby is tourney ready. I've built several cocker's, and frankly I don't know how they afford to sell this one for as cheap as they do. The parts on it are all good stuff, it's literally fully tournament ready right out of the box. It's only about $600. There's no way in the world that you could build a cocker that good yourself for $600, or even a couple hundred more than that. If I were ever to buy a cocker (which I probably won't, as I have two angels and could never go back to shooting anything else again as long as I live) that would be it. They're available at www.paintballnumber1.com

A preset air system is fine on just about any marker, because the secondary reg will cut the tanks output pressure down to whatever the marker needs to function at, so don't worry about using a preset. www.3apaintball.com has some wicked cheap tanks (88 ci 4500 psi for $169!), and you can get them with anime american flags or scantily clad japanime chicks on them.

'Cockers are pretty user friendly unless you like to screw with them alot (like myself), but if you buy a decent 'cocker to begin with (like the Vengeance described above, or something else pre-upgraded) then you won't have any need to upgrade parts, and it should be pretty much trouble free for you. Every marker will need maintenance or tweaking or fixing at one time or another, so don't buy any marker thinking that it will be completely self sufficient, but if you can keep yourself from tinkering with them, a 'cocker will very rarely fail you.

Good luck finding what you're looking for.
 

Dark Warrior

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the chances of buying a system-x in this country are not great and even so he is not looking to spend that amount of money

preset air is fine
you can get a 1.1l/3000psi for about £160
and a 1.1l/4500 for about £200

3 drops of oil in the ASA once a month is probably enough to keep it lubed and it is so easy to remove the bolt and clean from back to front with a squeegy and fluffy stick.

The less you fiddle with a cocker the less can go wrong
 

NulodPBall

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Here's my two cents:

If you're trying to save money, a vert-fed 'cocker is an excellent buy and HPA is a good choice.

-My very first upgrade would be a decent barrel kit, with a good range of Inner Bore sizes. If you can't afford a kit, or a barrel that takes different sized inner sleeves then just buy one other barrel. You don't have to buy the most expensive, CP's seem to be a decent compromise between cost and quality (Hey Dan!). Since you're getting a Closed Bolt gun, your paint-to-barrel match is very important. The ball has to fit just tight enough to prevent the ball from rolling out of the barrel when you point your gun down, but it has to be loose enough that the paint doesn't break when you fire the gun. If I remember correctly, the stock 'cockers used to come with barrels that have an ID of about 0.89" or so, so if you're shooting normal sized paint (not supersmall stuff) a second barrel in the 0.92" range or so would probably help you out if you get large sized paint. How do you select a barrel if you don't know what the ID is? Bring your old barrel with you, and a stick squeegee to push paint through; and test paint. Find a ball that is hard to push through your old barrel, and see if it'll fall easily, almost dropping through without pushing through your prospective new barrel. Once you find a barrel that the fat ball drops easily but hangs up in your old barrel, then that probably should be your new barrel.

Colors are pretty, but I find that the barrels with the glossy, shiny, black finish tend to work the best if it's an aluminum barrel.

Everyone has their opinion on barrel length. If you play alot of inflateable fields then longer barrels work better, 14" or even 16" even if you play front. If you play alot of brushy fields, longer barrels also work better (you can push your barrel tip through the "junk" better so you can shoot). It took me a long time to convert from my 12" barrels...especially as my best barrel is a 12 incher (I waited while it was put together and best of all, I didn't have to pay for it :)).

-for HPA, the non-adjustables are theoretically great. I just don't like the longer necks they usually have and the fact that they take CO2 bottle O-rings. For me, the longer neck means that you have to use a longer drop forward, which means that the bottle actually moves a little when you put pressure on it...but that's just a personal preference. Buy a pack of 10 or more bottle O-rings (the white kind) and tape or tie or attach in some way (sew into your bottle cover???) a spare O-ring or two to your gun. You don't know what a pisser it is to have the countdown start, have someone give his tank a last minute twist to make sure it's on tight, and then all of the sudden you hear a loud hissing sound as your teammate yells "crap, my O-ring just broke". The last time that happened, it was my backman. I told him to shut up and he's now hitting the 50, and he has 30 seconds to bunker someone before he runs out of air...he took out two guys :) Always apply a little bit of lube to your O-ring before you screw in your tank, it'll last longer that way.

Another reason I don't like the non-adjustables is that when I got the first of my Intimidators, all the non-adjustables were in the 800 psi range and that tended to overstress my LP reg...meaning I'd have to change my LP O-rings every so often if I wanted my gun to stay consistent. Now of course they make non-adjustables in the 400 psi range, but if someone needs to borrow your tank...oh well, forget them, but non-adjustables are perfectly fine for people that don't mind the longer necks.

-Aside from an extra barrel or two an upgrade to think about for your 'cocker is a swing trigger (and eventually an e-blade when you can afford it). You don't really "NEED" the swing trigger, and you won't miss it if you never get it, but once you get one, you'll like it. If you can buy your 'cocker with one already installed and tweaked, so much the better...don't try removing any of the springs in a swing trigger in an attempt to lighten it up, trust me...

-All the other upgrades for a 'cocker really aren't needed if you don't have alot of money. I know the factory hates it, but I use my inline reg. to regulate my velocity (the factory wants you to use the velocity adjuster that the cocking rod passes through). I prefer to stay away from macro and mini lines...I like steel braid, but if you do decide to go with a plastic line, use the larger Macro line and always have spare line in your kit bag. The locking collar nicks the plastic and eventually causes a leak if you mess with the line alot, and no-one ever seems to have spare line when you really need it.

Just remember to match your barrel to your paint, and don't touch your gun for the first three months or so (have a professional do it for you if needed) until you get used to how it works and can read up on it, get a hopper that takes batteries, and you'll have alot of fun with your gun :)

Ray
 

PaintballBudgie

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Nitroduck is the way to go, cheap adjustable and consistant with excellent flow.

Personally I would recommend 2nd hand, you can get 2nd hand with good upgrades for the price of a new 2003.

For example I recently sold a 18 month old Eclipse cocker for £400 and those puppies are loaded with extras as well as looking good.