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[Gyroscope]

OK, so the rankings for the NPPL are:
1 San Diego Dynasty
2 Sacramento XSV
3 Portland Naughty Dogs
4 Oakland Empire
4 San Francisco Avalanche
6 DC Arsenal
7 Stockholm Joy
8 New England Hurricanes
9 LA Infamous
10 Miami Rage
11 Chicago Evil Factory
12 London Nexus
13 London Tigers
14 HB Redz Sedition
15 OC Bushwackers
16 California Ironmen
17 Bob Long's Assassins
18 XS NRG

And the rankings for the NXL are:
1Boston Red Legion
2Oakland Assassins
2Chicago AfterShock
4Baltimore Trauma
5LA Ironmen
5Detroit Strange
7Philadelphia Americans
8San Diego Legacy
9New York Xtreme
10Miami Effect


The hypothetical question is: how many of these teams should be professional paintball teams in the event that the two major leagues smoosh together next year? How many already are the same team? Should teams "from" the same city be required to drop that part of their franchise name? Should Euros be included at all? Should a fee be charged to NPPL alumni, since the NXL owners all had to pony up? Should we just grease up a representative from each team and put them into the Pit of Death to fight for their teams' right to be part of the top division?

 

[duffistuta]

OK, I'll start.

If we live in a hypothetical world where there are no politics and no ownership issues and we're just having a massive tournament, for argument's sake a 7-Man (as some of these teams couldn't field a proper XBall squad), between all these teams, with the Top 18 qualifying for a whole new NPPL 18, I think it'd finish up like this...

1 San Diego Dynasty
2 Sacramento XSV
3 LA Ironmen
4 Portland Naughty Dogs
5 Oakland Assasins
6 Boston Red Legion
7 San Francisco Avalanche
8 Detroit Strange
9 Chicago Aftershock
10 DC Arsenal
11 Baltimore Trauma
12 Philly Americans
13 XS NRG
14 Stockholm Joy
15 New England Hurricanes
16 LA Infamous
17 Miami Rage
18 London Nexus

So effectively XSV would have two teams in there.

 

[Steve Hancock]

Regarding the NXL team's franchise fee. You could look at it as a failed investment. They speculated on the success of the NXL getting big TV bucks, it didn't, tough ****. Say bye to your money.

The way i imagined a reunification, was basicaly the PSP/NXL events stopping, the NPPL adopting an x-ball type format. So less of a unification, and more the PSP conceeding defeat instead of drawing out the battle (for the sake of the costs involved), and the NPPL adopting their format (using unification as an excuse for dropping 7-man, which they have previously been saying is the better format). Oh and there are also a few compensations for the PSP - E.g. their teams being included in some way.

Looking at it that way, then those who invested in the NPPL should have the spots. Mind you i don't know jack about the politics involved or chips people are bringing to the table, so i'm probabley way off.

 

[Gyroscope]

hmmm. I will sort out some duplicates and see how many are left:
NPPL
1 San Diego Dynasty
2 Sacramento XSV
3 Portland Naughty Dogs
4 Oakland Empire
4 San Francisco Avalanche
6 DC Arsenal
7 Stockholm Joy
8 New England Hurricanes
9 LA Infamous
10 Miami Rage
11 Chicago Evil Factory
12 London Nexus
13 London Tigers
14 HB Redz Sedition
15 OC Bushwackers
16 California Ironmen
17 Bob Long's Assassins
18 XS NRG

NXL
1Boston Red Legion
2Oakland Assassins
2Chicago AfterShock
4Baltimore Trauma
5LA Ironmen
5Detroit Strange
7Philadelphia Americans
8San Diego Legacy
9New York Xtreme
10Miami Effect

That leaves 24 teams, if you were to roll the duplicate/ sister teams together. That doesn't sound impossible, although I imagine that a few parties would be pretty upset that they worked to get another team up there and then had the work discarded... A lot of the reason for having the second team was about fielding enough for an Xball team, though.

 

[Gyroscope]

The BrockDorff solution:

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Dynasty
XSV
Russian Legion
Naughty Dogs

That's it

Nick

Since he couldn't be bothered to find the right thread

 

[Robbo]

Gyro, 24 teams is the magic number because anything less causes casulaties and ends up hurting people who have invested enormous sums of money and time in playing in, and supporting the NPPL.
In fact the way you came to that 24 is the way that Duff and myself had already worked it out.

If any NPPL teams are sacrificed as against the totaility of the NXL teams being accepted then that's truly scandalous because in reality there is no excuse for such an exclusion.
I have heard talks of having 20 teams as against 24 and if the difference is that small then there is absolutely no excuse whatsoever in stabbing four teams in the back.

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

If any NPPL teams are sacrificed as against the totaility of the NXL teams being accepted then that's truly scandalous because in reality there is no excuse for such an exclusion.

Maybe it's a question of scheduling - wanting to be able to play only 3 days?

- depends on the format ofcourse...

I thought it was you that said "unification at any cost" - but I suppose not if the cost is four low ranked Pro teams?

On a more serious note..... where are the MS teams in all this?

I cannot see any reason for teams like Menace and Ignition to back a unified league, if their tremendouns results the past season does not put them in the division..... especially as European teams they have beaten clearly this year, are going to be in?

Nick

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Since he couldn't be bothered to find the right thread

Lighten up Giro - it was clearly not a serious contribution

Nick

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff

I thought it was you that said "unification at any cost" - but I suppose not if the cost is four low ranked Pro teams?
Nick

The cost part reffered to format details etc as you well know and let me tell you something Nick, the smiley faces after this doesn't mask its sarcasm.
If you had been good enough, or well resourced enough to have played in the NPPL and achieved 12th place with no cheats on your guns like we did in the most difficult 7 man league in the world, then you can laugh at the irony of it all but until then Nick, keep your snide remarks to yourself !

 

[tiger jedi]

Originally posted by duffistuta
OK, I'll start.

If we live in a hypothetical world where there are no politics and no ownership issues and we're just having a massive tournament, for argument's sake a 7-Man (as some of these teams couldn't field a proper XBall squad), between all these teams, with the Top 18 qualifying for a whole new NPPL 18, I think it'd finish up like this...

1 San Diego Dynasty
2 Sacramento XSV
3 LA Ironmen
4 Portland Naughty Dogs
5 Oakland Assasins
6 Boston Red Legion
7 San Francisco Avalanche
8 Detroit Strange
9 Chicago Aftershock
10 DC Arsenal
11 Baltimore Trauma
12 Philly Americans
13 XS NRG
14 Stockholm Joy
15 New England Hurricanes
16 LA Infamous
17 Miami Rage
18 London Nexus

So effectively XSV would have two teams in there.