Havoc paintball

[crom-dubh]

Am I right in thinking that Havoc Paintball are selling markers capable of full auto and burst?
Am I also right in thinking that this is waaaaay illegal over here?
Am I also right in thinking that this could be a potentially dangerous situation if one was siezes by the police?

Damn I think too much (or is it not enough?)

 

[le-pig]

hm,if true not good

 

[Philip]

Yes they do, and if you have alreadu bought one, send it to me and i'll convert it to semi only for a small fee

 

[Beaker]

Well, a marker that is theoretically capable of using modes is not in itself illegal, just the use of it is.

So to sell them is not illegal, but to sell them as advertised "features" than are promoted to the customer is just chuffing irresponsible.

 

[crom-dubh]

Sorry beaker you are wrong

It is illegal for a marker that is capable of firing 2 or more balls per trigger pull.

 

[Beaker]

Well, I've read up further and it's not quite as cut and dried
http://www.ukpsf.com/paintballandthelaw.htm#Turbo boards

The bottom line is that the definition of a paintball marker as a firearm has not been tested in a court of law so there is NO definitive answer. Even the UKPSF have had conflicting responses from those in "authority".

Whatever way it is very very not good, especially if as I say they are advertising them and promoting them as having modes.

 

[styles mugger]

Put it this way,if the coppers/courts fined out ull be in da sh1t 1 way or the other which mite not be likly but if a tourny organiser fines out they mite not be so happy bout it..if u want 2 buy 1 then ask if they can dissarm the illegal mode by making the mode avilaible only a use of a code like on the timmys or earsing it from the programming.

 

[crom-dubh]

If a case about a full auto marker went to court then you can bet you can say bye bye to paintball. The government are looking into the idea of airguns only being allowed to be used by people 18+ and may even need a licence to own one.

As the law stands you could be looking at a 10 stretch for owning a marker that is capable of firing full auto or burst.

This is also why markers have a legal limit of 330 fps any more and it becomes a firearm which you need a licence to own.

Even if those that are in power are a little hazy about paintball and the law doesnt mean paintball suppliers should be.

As I know that Havoc paintball do sell full auto markers (selious scout is trying to sell one in cassified) is there anything we could do to stop them selling them. A situation like this is a ticking time bomb.

 

[Beaker]

I agree.

However the problem is the definition of "capable" in the context of the law.

If it is that the marker can be modified to be full auto then any electro gun is programmable, plus an RT is decidedly iffy at best. So it would not be limited to those with lockable modes such as Angels/Timmy's and the E frames. Yet no one here seems to be worried about those.

However, I do NOT under ANY circumstances want this definition tested in a court for the reason Crom gives, if it get's that far it's too late.

Like I said, if the modes are there and locked and not used that's one thing. But to advertise and promote the use is smeggin stupid.

 

[crom-dubh]

Technically speaking if the marker can fire full auto with need of mechanical modification its illegal.
Its like having a .22 rifle which is fully auto, but because you have to move the safety catch to make it so doesnt make it legal.
The only way to make it legal is to modify it so that it cannot in any way fire full auto or easily be modified back.

I have spent the most boring afternnon reading up on this and that includes minutes taken from the house of commons.

One interesting point was that at one stage paintball markers were going to have their own classification, but luckily they are still classed as air rifles.