Dot / HSE bottles re REKKA
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Always with the bloody cookies
Anyhow got the following email from HSE:
If you were expecting a rapid answer we aren't going to get one it seems
Sounds about rightOriginally posted by Hotpoint
If you were expecting a rapid answer we aren't going to get one it seems
Still you never know
As far as I know the DOT is the Department of Transportation. They regulate all kinds of stuff. They would regulate this by a means of saying what can be shipped and so forth I think. (IE: you can't ship the bottle while it has compression). Not exactly sure why the DOT regulates it... but it does.Originally posted by Liz
DOT is the US equivalent of the HSE (or maybe the US Dept of Trade?, anyway, it's American). The UK Department of Trade & Industry is the DTI.
Where's Hotpoint when you need him?
ok, this makes a bit more sense. ive just spoke to a main dive center in reading. and this is what they say.
DOT test bottles are NOT allowed to be used in the uk by law. For them to be allowed, they would have to carry a HSE test.
The HSE test is to prove that the bottle is safe for use for its intended purpose. But as there is no recognised UK "intended use" code printed on US bottles they cannot be tested to uk HSE standard.
Its a case of america not accepting our standard, so we dont accept theirs.
in short even though the legislation has changed bringing us inline with europe, it does not mean we can use DOT tested bottles.
Anywhere that does test them to HSE is breaking the law.
As to HSE bottles, the length of test for paintball air systems is 5years, regarding the fact they are for "Dry Use" as in, not being used underwater. therefore the test is valid for longer.
as always i may be wrong but the guy i just spoke to seems to know what hes talking about.
its just insane that half the paintball world are using airsystems where the legislation regarding them is VERY hard to track down, and no-one seems to properly monitor or enforce it. We have to use dive centers for advise, not paintball distributers.
its mad
DOT test bottles are NOT allowed to be used in the uk by law. For them to be allowed, they would have to carry a HSE test.
The HSE test is to prove that the bottle is safe for use for its intended purpose. But as there is no recognised UK "intended use" code printed on US bottles they cannot be tested to uk HSE standard.
Its a case of america not accepting our standard, so we dont accept theirs.
in short even though the legislation has changed bringing us inline with europe, it does not mean we can use DOT tested bottles.
Anywhere that does test them to HSE is breaking the law.
As to HSE bottles, the length of test for paintball air systems is 5years, regarding the fact they are for "Dry Use" as in, not being used underwater. therefore the test is valid for longer.
as always i may be wrong but the guy i just spoke to seems to know what hes talking about.
its just insane that half the paintball world are using airsystems where the legislation regarding them is VERY hard to track down, and no-one seems to properly monitor or enforce it. We have to use dive centers for advise, not paintball distributers.
its mad
BUT if we did find somewhere that tested them to HSE standards, then surely we could use them legitimatley...
So for example, if we could send them to somewhere that will test to HSE standard and mark them as such, I dunno say somewhere in America that manufacturers them and they came back marked as HSE tested then we should be ok using them.... shouldnt we?
So for example, if we could send them to somewhere that will test to HSE standard and mark them as such, I dunno say somewhere in America that manufacturers them and they came back marked as HSE tested then we should be ok using them.... shouldnt we?
i understand what you are saying, there must be somewhere that can do it, cos smartparts USA sell dual tested bottles (HSE AND DOT) and all angel AIR bottles are dual tested too.
Cross post - sorry but people are ignoring my post
Just to confuse things further.
My tanks have just come back.
The 2 nitroduck / catalina bottles I sent for testing were manufactured 06/99 these have come back as test not required.
As they were made outside of the UK and not had a previous UK test they fall under the 5 year test cycle.
We used to fall under the 'Pressure Systems and Transportable Gas Containers Regulations 1989' act this has now been split into seperate acts.
From what I have been able to find out we are now covered under the following:
Transportable Gas Containers Regulations
and either
Pressure Equipment Directive (PED)
or
Pressure Systems Safety Regulations (PSSR)
Transportable speaks for itself, there are new regulations in force now, but no one at HMSO can give me an act number or date to lookup.
PED is mainly for manufautures, however there is no telling what the hoses, regulators and so on fall under. If you change the design from what the manufacturer shipped it with, new bottom line, new reg etc. you become a manufacturer !
PSSR appears to covers everything in one all encompassing act.
There are no dates or item number because I can not find which ones are the current versions.
Another thing to consider, if you have a dive tank and give another person a fill, with or without charging you then become a supplier and need to conform to all acts covering the supply of compressed gases.
We need a proper government 'investigation' into paintball (and pre charged air rifles). There are too many regulations for any one person to filter and find out what applies to us.
PGI, Hotpoint - HELP !
my brain is bleeding
Just to confuse things further.
My tanks have just come back.
The 2 nitroduck / catalina bottles I sent for testing were manufactured 06/99 these have come back as test not required.
As they were made outside of the UK and not had a previous UK test they fall under the 5 year test cycle.
We used to fall under the 'Pressure Systems and Transportable Gas Containers Regulations 1989' act this has now been split into seperate acts.
From what I have been able to find out we are now covered under the following:
Transportable Gas Containers Regulations
and either
Pressure Equipment Directive (PED)
or
Pressure Systems Safety Regulations (PSSR)
Transportable speaks for itself, there are new regulations in force now, but no one at HMSO can give me an act number or date to lookup.
PED is mainly for manufautures, however there is no telling what the hoses, regulators and so on fall under. If you change the design from what the manufacturer shipped it with, new bottom line, new reg etc. you become a manufacturer !
PSSR appears to covers everything in one all encompassing act.
There are no dates or item number because I can not find which ones are the current versions.
Another thing to consider, if you have a dive tank and give another person a fill, with or without charging you then become a supplier and need to conform to all acts covering the supply of compressed gases.
We need a proper government 'investigation' into paintball (and pre charged air rifles). There are too many regulations for any one person to filter and find out what applies to us.
PGI, Hotpoint - HELP !
my brain is bleeding
Finally got a reply from the HSE
I'm going to have a look at the links and see if I can establish exactly where we stand