I know you cannot use a DOT bottle in this country, or at least get it filled, but can you get a DOT bottle and then get it re-tested to HSE and CE regulations so that you can then use it
DOT bottles
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In short no... a bottle after initial test from the factory cannot then be retested to another standard 
so an HSE will always be an HSE and a DOT always a DOT
so an HSE will always be an HSE and a DOT always a DOT
so why can't we use DOT bottle in this country
if they are spec'ed to 4500psi as well then they must be safe
what do foreign teams do when they play here ?
what do european teams do in the states (or does the rule not work the other way round) ?
if they are spec'ed to 4500psi as well then they must be safe
what do foreign teams do when they play here ?
what do european teams do in the states (or does the rule not work the other way round) ?
Something to do with the method of testing - the DOT (US) don't agree with the HSE (UK) about our method of testing (and vice versa) so once it's tested as one standard, it cannot be re-tested as another.
wrong
a lot of bottles were dual test,ie dot or hse from manufacture,it depends where you get your bottle tested afterwards,if you test it to dot you stick to dot,same whith hse
a lot of bottles were dual test,ie dot or hse from manufacture,it depends where you get your bottle tested afterwards,if you test it to dot you stick to dot,same whith hse
Well that's not strictly wrong is it? Once you test it as DOT you cannot retest as HSE... a dual test bottle is a third type, and is only dual test for as long as the initial test date. It cannot be retested as dual test.
In fact, why has nobody posted "use the search feature" already? Hotpoint has answered this a bazillion times...
In fact, why has nobody posted "use the search feature" already? Hotpoint has answered this a bazillion times...
Individual bottle testing doesn't come into it - not for the first 3 years, at least. What it comes down to is certification for a particular design of bottle. The manufacturer has to send a batch of prototypes to the certification facility who drop them, dent them, drill holes in them and do other unpleasant things to them to verify that they meet the criteria for whatever standard they are intended to meet.
This certification process costs a lot of money, and applies to all bottles the company then makes of that exact design. If your bottle is DOT only, then the manufacturer didn't spend the extra money getting it HSE certified (or most likely it wasn't relevant for the product's intended market) and there's no way you can get it certified.
If the bottle is dual-certified, then that means that the manufacturer went through the process twice, which is one reason these bottles often cost more. Unfortunately when these bottles are retested under one system, they become technically condemned under the other, because retesting stresses the bottle outside its normal operating limits, and because the two systems have different retesting methods that differ in procedure.
Neither DOT, nor HSE, nor CE bottles are any 'safer' or 'better' than any of the others, but each country has its own safety regulations and will generally insist that those are met, rather than a foreign country's equivalent.
In the UK, ONLY bottles with a valid HSE or CE certificate are legal. In the rest of Europe, the law should require a CE label, but many countries (at least informally) allow other types. In the US they don't seem overly bothered, although you should only be using DOT-certified bottles.
This certification process costs a lot of money, and applies to all bottles the company then makes of that exact design. If your bottle is DOT only, then the manufacturer didn't spend the extra money getting it HSE certified (or most likely it wasn't relevant for the product's intended market) and there's no way you can get it certified.
If the bottle is dual-certified, then that means that the manufacturer went through the process twice, which is one reason these bottles often cost more. Unfortunately when these bottles are retested under one system, they become technically condemned under the other, because retesting stresses the bottle outside its normal operating limits, and because the two systems have different retesting methods that differ in procedure.
Neither DOT, nor HSE, nor CE bottles are any 'safer' or 'better' than any of the others, but each country has its own safety regulations and will generally insist that those are met, rather than a foreign country's equivalent.
In the UK, ONLY bottles with a valid HSE or CE certificate are legal. In the rest of Europe, the law should require a CE label, but many countries (at least informally) allow other types. In the US they don't seem overly bothered, although you should only be using DOT-certified bottles.
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In the UK it is illegal to buy an HSE bottle sold as being NEW and this includes dual test bottles that are DOT/HSE. All new bottles must have the CE(or pi) symbol and I assume that there will be new dual test bottles as well, but I have not seen any advertised.
In the UK it is illegal to buy an HSE bottle sold as being NEW and this includes dual test bottles that are DOT/HSE. All new bottles must have the CE(or pi) symbol and I assume that there will be new dual test bottles as well, but I have not seen any advertised.