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Five Finger Bullet

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I just saw Conspire Clothing's website and saw they had Sunday Paintball and Sire on there also. I haven't seen Conspire anywhere else, and I know Sunday is a major rip-off of Sire, which Conspire seems to be pretty blatant about themselves. Can anyone tell me if they've all joined together or what?
 

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Conspire uses the nautical star, a global logo, no copyrights are held by either sunday paintball or sire. Admittedly all three companies utilise this 'universal' logo. This should not make any difference to the way the companies products sell.

I myself cannot see the similarity in clothing designs of conspire, sunday and sire and have infact made sure that my designs do not bare any resemblence.

Basically it comes down to a logo, it should be the products that sell the company not one logo, that im sure is used for way more companies than just sire.

I hope that you can see that the whole logo argument is a bit weird. Its not like i called my company sire uk.

By the way sire paintball were some of the first to recieve the conspire stickers and pin badges.

Tom Conspire owner

PS Heres some example

http://rcm1.zoovy.com/product/NAUT3

http://www.store.racedayoutfitters.com/p-rdw-s-forestnautical.html
 

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Alright, I'll preface this with: The following is merely my opinion, thereby giving you an immediate 'out'.

I'm sorry but I cannot see how you miss the similarities between Sire, Sunday, and Conspire. Even my math teacher, left-brained girlfriend can see the likeness in not only style but flat-out design.

Let me get to the point- paintball is still a small market, and in this small market when you see a product from a new company that's exactly like an existing one from an older one it's hard not to view it as a rip-off. Granted, when you see stuff like the old 32 Degrees stainless steel barrels obviously ripping off the DYE SS of the time, you see someone as trying to snatch some money off the back of the popular product with perhaps a lower-grade version in the same packaging. I'm not saying Sunday or Conspire are lower-grade, the difference when it comes to something like clothing or artwork is originality. If someone doesn't mind paying a little less for a little less quality when they're trying to get a stylish barrel is something different than someone buying a shirt, or, essentially artwork.

When someone starts pumping out artwork and it becomes popular, then they start making money, THEN someone else sets up shop right beside them making the exact same thing, that's the short version of where and how vendor #2 becomes unoriginal. As I said, it isn't like any of these companies are beside each other on a rack at Macy's, I'm talking the small-scene of paintball here.

Coming from a long line of artists and being a freelance illustrator, I suppose stuff like this gets to me more than it would the regular paintballer. That's why I originally wanted to ask what was up with Sunday, Sire, and Conspire being all on one site, I didn't know if Conspire was an off-shoot of Sire in the UK or what (and when you said you didn't name your company Sire UK, I smiled and thought, "He read my mind").

I'll go ahead and admit it's none of my business as it obviously doesn't personally affect me, but with all these new 'clothing' companies popping up everywhere, all I ask is for them to at least be original. Sire and Bunker King are the daddies. That's only two companies to not have to resemble. If I made a Boomstick and milled 'Five Finger Bullet' into the side, people would still see a Boomstick. Working freelance I know all about bending to the will of your client, making up stuff you wouldn't personally like, but if I sacked up and started my own clothing line, especially in the niche of paintball, I'd want to be unique... although I'll bet I could get a few bucks with my Bunker Queen line.
 

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Have you even looked at the clothing inside its past the nautical star, i dont see how you think there is a similarity in clothing design.

Sire tees

Conspires tees

Also reason you see sunday paintball and sire there is because conspire is going to stock or have in stock there products.
 

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Sire and conspire look different enough and I'll stick up for Tom on that. I know the Sire crew very well, and they are cool with what he's doing.

Sunday clothing is somewhat Sire "inspired" though considering all their first shirts were just the same Gothic script as the Sire "Dirty South" shirts...

But then Sire did a family crest T in 2002, the year after Dye's whole line had crests on it, one shirt was practically the same.

Sire did a "Paintball Sucks" shirt, 3 months later JT (who are down the road in AK) came out with their "Paintball ruined my life" shirt.

Are they related - who knows, maybe. But are they similar - for sure.

Sire have moved to a dirty style that's quite like the Hybrid one, but they both released their new shirts at the same time, so just happened that way.

Designs can and will be similar, but I agree there is a limit...
 

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ok i wont argue but here are three pictures, one conspire, one sire and one sunday.....if you can tell me the similarities.....please do cos i may just be tired but....







WAIT i see what you mean now....they're all t-shirts! i feel so guilty for copying sire and sunday

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by Smally85
Oh no it doesn't stop there, each of those designs have 4 holes... one for each arm, one for a head and one for you to get into them. Ingenius.

They also all use words in their designs!! :eek:
Quick someone sue someone!!!
lol thats some funny sh1t

yeh i dont know what the problem is all these companys get on and sell/promote the others gear

i know tom very well and the last thing he wants is to get peoples backs up everything he does is ran past anybody who would have a problem with it

if you like it buy it wear it but dont try and make an issue that isnt even there

peace

will NH#17
 

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Alright then, what about this:

yes i am afraid its true, my logo is very similar to that of sire paintball.

the simple fact is i have discussed this matter with dustin of sire paintball and he is very happy for me to use it. the controversy promotes i guess

anyhoo i will infact be stocking the sire stuff at some point within the next year so look forward to some great new stuff!

in the end the star is always going to be associated with sire within the paintball sector of the world but i hope to make sure that it is associated with me as much as possible both in and out of this area!

afterall conspire is a worldwide company for everyone, not just ballers, but skiiers, skaters, bmxers, bands, boarders ... everyone!

so much love and good bye...

tom

Quoted from the Conspire website that helped me feel okay about starting this thread.
 

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this sort of thing is rife.
Bunker King are also being ripped off by 'Machine Gun Killer' whose shirts are almost identical. This example is not as extreme as that one, but nonetheless, the only sure fire way to 'pass off' product is to stock both lines. Then you can use the line:

We are out of that one, but I have another thats very similar, care to try it?'

and :

"oh, yes, well if its the star that you liked, I may have something for you..."

Classic move.

The National Paintball Supply School of product design....

I think Five Fingers is right on the money. If someone is using the star (which is supposed to give good luck to travellers) in the miniscule area of paintball fashion clothing, then stay away from it. If you use it, you will get accused of passing off. That accusation, however accurate, will ruin any aspirations to be perceived as original. Originality sells product and makes companies successful. Think of something else to use, big deal, establish your own identity.

anyway, much like Mr fingers, I do take this sort of thing more seriously than most. Gets my back up. Not to worry though.