Chrono on or off??

[nickp]

What do people think....

I was thinking this weekend, we chrono for the safety of players, then shouldn't all players be chronoed onto the field, as if someone plays with a very hot gun then this could be a safety issue, and this may not be picked up on. Or even if it is picked for chrono, it may already have done the damage whilst it was beong used during the game..

So surely from a safety point of view, chrono'ing onto the field must be safer, as if a marker is hot then it is not allowed onto the field?

 

[steven09 (Exodus Capt)]

nick i tend to agree with you there i think chrono should def be done before games

 

[Sinner]

I agree with the pair of you that this is how we should do it & it does get done at some tournies, but the big problem is the delays involved.

Tournies often gets tight enough on time with the current 'one player per team after the game' method. Either the organiser would have to pay for extra marshals to chrony you whilst you're waiting to play, as per the Euro Indoor, or they'd have to cut the number of teams playing so as to allow more time between games. Either option hits the organiser in the pocket.

Mike

 

[Tony]

I agree wholeheartedly with the idea of Chrono'ing all players before the game starts. I appreciate the fact that it could cause delays, but if it's done properly, then the delays would be minimised. What about when the armbands are dished out? The chrono judge holds the armbands too, and when your marker passes, you are given an armband?? That would cut down on the delays slightly.


Chrono'ing to me, is a safety issue. I know it's also in place to stop people shooting high in order to gain more distance on their shots, but the safety aspect of it is paramount. Not allowing anyone onto the field with a hot gun is safer than imposing penalty points on a team who's guns were found to be hot AFTER a game. Where's the safety in that???

 

[Acidd_UK]

I agree. I can't see how it could case a delay of more than a couple of minutes if there was a chrono at each field. Its only a case of firing a few shots over it. As far as I'm concerned the reason that markers are chronoed is to check they are not dangerous / illegal. The fact that tournies give penalty points for hot guns is a side issue in my mind.

I realise this is echoing what others just said but I think it would be a good thing to chrono all guns before the game start. Without fail. Every game. For all teams.

Tom

 

[diabloprince]

I also agree-BUT with all the pressure to run games on time,plus some teams not being on field and ready to roll creates time problems,plus other things such as barricades deflating means having every player on every team on every field and every game chrono is impracticle.Marshalls have to cope with over 30 games in the day,making very tough calls,get shot to pieces,have players bitch at them all day with little or now thanks,I just dont think theres much appreciation from players to marshalls.

Ping

 

[Sinner]

Hmmm, marshals: the traffic wardens of paintball?

Back on topic though, perhaps another way of doing it would be one or two checks during the day & if a gun is hot then it's confiscated for the rest of the tourney, as well as earning a big penalty. That should scare players so much that they'll police themselves. Of course, I'm probably being naive about that!
I'm also worrying about one of the numb nuts on my team who can get a hot gun penalty about 5 milliseconds after chroning at 270-280, it's just a 'gift' he has , but no idea is perfect & each team's captain will just have to deal with problem markers/players.

The organiser could draw up a chrony schedule so that every team gets checked. The schedule is issued to the head marshal for each field, who nabs the team at the appropriate time. Since the teams don't know when they're going to be checked, those players amongst us with (ahem) slightly more flexible morals won't be able to plan ahead when to set their marker within the safety limit.

Mike

 

[Stan]

Marshalls have to cope with over 30 games in the day,making very tough calls,get shot to pieces,have players bitch at them all day with little or now thanks,I just dont think theres much appreciation from players to marshalls.

I take it from your post that you were marshalling the 5 man this weekend? The majority of Entry and Novice teams i saw coming off the field were shouting their thanks to the marshals as they left...

This was in stark contrast to the MAJORITY of higher level teams (yes, i have lumped them all into one basket) and in one case, one player one the field called to his mate outside the netting asking him to get the rest of their team ready to come on and have a fight at the end of the game!!! This was all over a call that was made after the guy bunkering a player was shot as his victim played on... Both players were called out.

Is it really worth having a brawl over a call made in that split second after the player played on?

Anyway, THANKS to the marshals who were there and had to put up with a lot of crap from what i saw.

(Oh and the only queue for air was first thing in the morning, the burger van was churning out some of its finest delicacies (sp?) and the music was better than the last time i was there!!!)

 

[nickp]

I agree that sometimes marshalls, are given a hard time by players, but should we let that have an effect on safety?

As for teams not being on a field, surely if it is laid down that a team has to be on the field (or its staging area) 10 minutes before they are due to play then it should not affect the days timings to much, although it means you would need an extra marshall per field? which could cause problems as it can be hard enough to find marshalls without needing more....

There are a lot of pro's and Cons, for chroning the whole team before the game but, It appears that the cons are time related, surely running a SAFE tournament is more important then , running one quickly??

 

[booga]

Quite right too Nick,safety should be the prime concern of any tourny organiser. I'm sure teams would not whinge too much if the dealys to games were for a GOOD reason.
The last temple 7 man was a good example.
Walk on the field, go over the chrono, the chrono marshall gives you your armband.
Then (after hanging the flag in record time of course) the marshalls pick one, or two players to chrono off as well.