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http://www.actionmarkers.com/amNews/K2 Letters/Glenn Palmer letter to K2.pdf

Which if you can't be bothered to click the link is...

June 28, 2004
Trent C. Keisling
Keisling Pieper & Scott PLC
1 East Center Street, suite 217
Fayetteville, Arkansas 72707
Re: Intellectual Property Holdings, Your File No. 012964
Dear Sir:
My name is Glenn Palmer; owner/operator of Palmers Pursuit Shop, which was established in
1987 but has remained a relatively small, service based, operation that also manufactures many
products relevant to the situation at hand. Specifically, the auto-cocking, pneumatic system that your
client, Worr Games Products, would like for us to believe they have intellectual rights to. In short, I
am the one that invented, developed and produced the auto-cocking system, mechanisms and some of
the individual components that were adapted for use on/in the Paintball gun now known as the
Autococker ™. As such, the true owner of some “valuable intellectual properties”.
After my review of a letter from you to Action Markers, I was thoroughly dismayed by the
nefarious nature of its content. While I certainly understand one’s desire to protect their property in
this industry, I cannot overlook the fact that your client has long been intentionally and knowingly
copying my products and developments, as well as those of several others in and outside of the
Paintball industry, thus causing “excessive customer confusion” that can no longer “continue
unabated”. Given the present set of circumstances, I find threats of expensive litigation in the Federal
Courts, to be utterly reprehensible so I must openly refute all unreasonable claims of “proprietary
technologies” and “intellectual property” made by anyone representing or affiliated with the Worr
Games Products organization, made for the purpose of creating hardships for others in the business of
Paintball. Unfortunately, K2 bought into the same misrepresentations that the folks at WGP have been
promoting for about 14 years now, which has in fact brought significant financial loss to me and
others.
From my layman’s point of view, it seems that you need to reevaluate your position in regards
to the assets that were gained in the acquisition of Worr Games Products Inc. . It may just be that K2
and their new affiliates are actually infringing on MY intellectual properties and might consider this as
a demand to cease and desists doing so.
Should you or any of your clients wish to discuss this in greater depth, I can be reached at my
place of business between the hours 2:00 and 6:00 PM, Pacific time, most weekdays. See letterhead
for contact information. I look forward to your prompt response.
Sincerely,
Glenn E. Palmer
 

manike

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Originally posted by TheBroz
Great....here we bloody go again.

Your post indicates that this is a good/funny thing, please could you explain why?
Do you know who Glen is? Glen is the guy that pretty much the whole industry credits with making the first real semiautomatic gravity feed paintball gun. He did it with an 'autococking' mechanism. Bud Orr then developed the autococker after Glen talked to him and showed him what he had done.

Originally posted by TJ Lambini
Does Mr Palmer have patents though, or is he just throwing stones at Goliath?
Nope, but then neither does Goliath in this case. K2 don't have any patents on the autococker. All they have is the claim to being first and trade dress, and even that is, well...

Glen is out there sticking a thumb in their eye for the 'little guy'.

Makes things interesting.
 
Originally posted by manike


Nope, but then neither does Goliath in this case. K2 don't have any patents on the autococker. All they have is the claim to being first and trade dress, and even that is, well...

Glen is out there sticking a thumb in their eye for the 'little guy'.

Makes things interesting.
I know what he's doing bud, and I admire it, BUT tha little guy tends to take it up tha ass in these situations due to financial leverage, as you well know...gotta love tha legal syatem.:rolleyes:
 

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Manike, I'm fully aware of who Glen Palmer is and what he developed. As Chris points out, what is bothering me is the fact that all of a sudden various companies and individuals have decided to do something about patent issues. It just seems rather silly and cynical to me, this whole 'me too' shenanigans.
 

manike

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Originally posted by Chris - Nexus Eclipse
n if he has and it is caused him so much grief in the past y not do somethingb4????
*sigh*

People aren't paying much attention are they. :rolleyes: ;) It's true most paintballers don't give a **** what is going on in the industry as long as they can buy a flashy gun with a cheater board in it... :rolleyes:

It appears that as long as people in the industry got along and were allowed to do their own thing then it was ok. Glen and Tom Kaye had a similar attitude back in the day, that was to help develop the industry and not screw each other over.

Now that K2 are trying to claim things that Glen did, and screw people over with that claimed IP, Glen isn't so happy. Note Glen isn't going after anyone else who is making autococking (tm) guns, just the one who claims they did it and who are trying to stop other people from making them.

It got too much for him when K2 tried to stop AM from making a PUMP gun!
 

manike

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Originally posted by TJ Lambini
I know what he's doing bud, and I admire it, BUT tha little guy tends to take it up tha ass in these situations due to financial leverage, as you well know...gotta love tha legal syatem.:rolleyes:
Absolutely. And I know who that is from personal experience... but you never know what is going to happen in the long run and where you may find a friendly 800lb Gorilla.

K2 Started it... Glen stepped up, who knows what will happen next. But as ever, it's not going to be simple.

Trade dress is not as clear cut as patents.
 

manike

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Originally posted by TheBroz
Manike, I'm fully aware of who Glen Palmer is and what he developed. As Chris points out, what is bothering me is the fact that all of a sudden various companies and individuals have decided to do something about patent issues. It just seems rather silly and cynical to me, this whole 'me too' shenanigans.
Glen isn't trying to do somehting about patents and trade dress. He's trying to stop someone claiming and enforcing something that isn't theres. A BIG difference in my book.

More power to him I say.