Bounce & Debounce
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ehh Ok. You're not stupid. I'm prob not the best person to explain this..but anyway.
Bounce is when you set up a trigger on a marker incorrectly (it's illegal in tourneys), so that it shoots more than one ball when you pull it. This could be because it's too short, but that's not the only reason which could cause it.
Debounce is a setting on some elecronic markers (cockers ie: E1 E2 etc have it) which allows you to prevent bouce, or turn it up. This is the 'debounce setting' you sometimes see people talking about.
Hope that's right?
Bounce is when you set up a trigger on a marker incorrectly (it's illegal in tourneys), so that it shoots more than one ball when you pull it. This could be because it's too short, but that's not the only reason which could cause it.
Debounce is a setting on some elecronic markers (cockers ie: E1 E2 etc have it) which allows you to prevent bouce, or turn it up. This is the 'debounce setting' you sometimes see people talking about.
Hope that's right?
Basically - when a trigger 'bounces' it is referring to the fact that the trigger can activate on it's own (ie. doesn't need to be 'pulled').
This is usually the case when a trigger has been set up incorrectly to give the shortest possible pull length before the trigger mechanism fires (meaning you don't have to pull the trigger in as far).
The trigger actually fires from the vibration of the marker going off. And as the vibration causes the trigger to fire - and the firing causes the vibration - you, in effect, get a fully automatic trigger - that fires on it's own!
One solution is to lengthen the trigger pull - until it stops 'bouncing'.
Another is 'debounce'. This is an electronic algorythm (sp) built in to modern boards to help stop it (in various patented ways - no idea of the logic behind it - but I am sure someone will add that bit in).
HTH
This is usually the case when a trigger has been set up incorrectly to give the shortest possible pull length before the trigger mechanism fires (meaning you don't have to pull the trigger in as far).
The trigger actually fires from the vibration of the marker going off. And as the vibration causes the trigger to fire - and the firing causes the vibration - you, in effect, get a fully automatic trigger - that fires on it's own!
One solution is to lengthen the trigger pull - until it stops 'bouncing'.
Another is 'debounce'. This is an electronic algorythm (sp) built in to modern boards to help stop it (in various patented ways - no idea of the logic behind it - but I am sure someone will add that bit in).
HTH
The way I understood bounce was that there were two different forms of it? Mechanical and Electronic? Mechanical bounce is particularly prevalent in guns with larger amounts of recoil, for example Cockers...
I may have been misinformed though lol
I may have been misinformed though lol
How do you get electronic bounce? I know there's mechanical and electronic 'de-bounce' as my post above suggests.
Presumably a board setting or something I expect?
Im no technical expert believe me lol, I spent about 15 mins puzzling over dwell settings last week in training
Im no technical expert believe me lol, I spent about 15 mins puzzling over dwell settings last week in training
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ollytheosteo
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Deep Breath......
Mechanical bounce refers to the cycling of the marker causing the trigger to 'bounce' off your finger or if set too light to fire by itself. The more metal etc that moves when you fire the marker and the lighter the trigger pull the more likely you are to see mech bounce. Cockers have a rep for it due to a larger reciprocating mass and light magnetic triggers, the least bouncy are probably Matrixes/Shockers.
Electronic bounce refers to the fact that when a switch is closed and opened you get a lot of little signals as well as one big one, and some boards read the little signals and thus fire more times than you pull the trigger. Debounce allows you to set the length of signal that the board registers as a pull, low for lots of shots and getting kicked out of events, high for slower ROF but safer and more legal. Truth be told, almost all electronic markers add a little unless you set the debounce quite high, at which point everyone complains their marker is slower than their fingers
Mechanical bounce refers to the cycling of the marker causing the trigger to 'bounce' off your finger or if set too light to fire by itself. The more metal etc that moves when you fire the marker and the lighter the trigger pull the more likely you are to see mech bounce. Cockers have a rep for it due to a larger reciprocating mass and light magnetic triggers, the least bouncy are probably Matrixes/Shockers.
Electronic bounce refers to the fact that when a switch is closed and opened you get a lot of little signals as well as one big one, and some boards read the little signals and thus fire more times than you pull the trigger. Debounce allows you to set the length of signal that the board registers as a pull, low for lots of shots and getting kicked out of events, high for slower ROF but safer and more legal. Truth be told, almost all electronic markers add a little unless you set the debounce quite high, at which point everyone complains their marker is slower than their fingers