Autococker

[cwkotw]

right fancy a change of gun at the moment i've got an etek with star frame cure bolt etc and had an offer for the star frame at £90 and will proberly beable to sell the etek for £210 makeing £300.
so what sort of cocker would i get and what are the pros and cons i.e. what are they like to maintain, speed etc
thanks in advance Andy

 

[cwkotw]

might be interested in other gats some thing interesting
p.s i am not looking at buying at the moment but in the near future so am just after advice

 

[tiffer]

I think you'll find that most people who used Cockers are prolly now EGO users.
Cockers have a sort of "following",they were very popular but by comparisson they are heavy,slower and over complicated.
They are very cheap to buy and can be a bit complex unless you take the time to read-up on them,ROf is a bit lower but they are very accurate and come into their own long-balling.

 

[Hawkins]

Right my laddy...

Cockers are considered by may as a headache, with mechanical cockers its an art to fine tune them to work perfectly, along with this nearly every part on an autococker has aftermarket upgrades. When certian people change these parts not knowing totaly what effect they may have have on the marker they stop working and flummexed as to how to fix it.

"The way to own a cocker is to know how it works, get it working and then leave it alone." this is quoted from the bible straight from god, ( look it up its in there )

Unless you get a yakuza tadao board your partially limited to the programabilty of the marker. I beleive with eyes on a cocker is limited to the bsp it can spit out depending on firmware but dont quote me on that... (again fiddling with all the settings on the eblade is a good way to stop it from working, and leaving it stock is recomended )

With that in mind, autocockers had a reputation for being the most accruate markers around for the closed bolt function. The bolt cocks and is left in a forward position rather than most other markers where by the bolt stays back and then travels forward when the valve is opened. An autococker bolt is stationary when the valve opens and then recocks, but with the high rates of fire from todays needs this is argued.

Personally the best investment you can put into an autococker where aftermarket products are conerned youd be looking at an Eblade and an Mq valve..

I asume you know what an eblade is, if not youtube it..

An Mq valve is an electropneumatic valve for an autococker. Operates at 300psi give or take, and gets rid of the hammer sear lug and valve making the only moving part the bolt and back block, getting rid of the recoil...
If you have no idea what an Mq valve is then id stay away from these as they're fragile while fitting unless you know someone that can fit them...

They weigh more than your ego, but to get round this a halfblock, mini or midget mod is always an option again youtube it..

So to recap

cocker pros

• Legend says they are more accurate

Cons

• If you dont know how to set them up ( timing ) youll only have problems
• If you dont leave it alone when its working youll have problems
• Changing valve springs, hammers, sears, valves may mess the gun up ( unless you know what your doing )
• These are old markers and not manufactured anymore, parts in the uk are had to come by new

Thats a little information on autocockers for you..

I have a Custom half block Mq Eorracle and love it but its taken time to get it to where it is. If you get a cocker i suggest you get a backup marker and get to know it well

( everyone feel free to pick at this )

 

[Rob - Nott'm Tremmor]

Andy,

Having used and owned cockers for years (form the first slide triggers,through the eclipse swing,and onto the E-blades) I can absolutely say they are brilliant markers. I've also used several types of angels and Egos, as well as a few other markers. Cockers have always been my favourite.

The mechanical cockers were a pain if you messed with them, but the E-blades are much simpler to use and maintain. As for speed, well they can keep up with any other electro on the market (especially in the world of capped rates of fire and ramp settings). As has been said, I do beleive that most cocker owners went and bought Egos, I did, but I still prefer the cocker.

I think they are a lovely gun to shoot, and legend does indeed say that the range and acuracy of the cocker is unrivalled. I'm not sure thats still the case, but they are definately up with the best of them. If you fancy something different and you can afford to try one out, I doubt you'll be dissapointed, but make sure you go for a decent e-blade rather than an older mechanical one.

Hope that helps.

 

[cwkotw]

many thanks for all the help guys i think that i will have to pinch a freinds for a mounth or two and see what happens