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An Apology to Sergei and the Russian Legion.

manike2

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I am posting this here as well as in the actual thread to ensure that everyone sees it. I'm sorry for breaking my ban but thought I should make this apology sooner rather than later.

I do have an apology to make. Hindsight is a valuable thing and I have been thinking about my actions and posts a lot.

Where as I do not feel I can apologise for having a different opinion to Robbo since we are different people and have different views and in a different context my points could have been valid, I do feel I owe a huge apology to Sergei and the Russian Legion for my part in this incident.

My inital post on the subject was meant as a generic question about the finely tuned guns we see so often now and which do give me cause for concern for many reasons. I do believe in the rules of this game and feel it important to implement them as well as possible. With hindsight I realise I should have started a seperate independent thread and spoken about my concerns hypothetically not as if they were solely about the Russian Legion. I instead made the dreadful mistake of putting my post in a thread where the issue of what happened to the Russian legion in Portugal was being discussed.

Robbo jumped on my post and his insulting, heavy handed manner and defamation made me feel the only way to justify my position and question was to give valid suppositions of what could have happened in the Russian Legion's case. That was a massive error on my behalf and I apologise to Sergei and the Russian Legion for it.

Instead of speaking hypothetically I used supposition to validate what could have possibly happened. This was the wrong thing to do as I had no valid evidence, it was all hypothetical and as such I should not have done it. My points were all hypothetical and should not have been related to the RL since we have no solid evidence of what happened. With hindsight I believe I was provoked by Robbo's nature of posting and I should have known better, the more he insulted me and was unable to see that my points in relation to the RL could have been valid under certain circumstances, the more I felt I needed to prove that although my points may not have been what happened that they were still valid as what could have happened.

I can be just as hot headed and stubborn as Pete, although always more courteous.

I was absolutely wrong to use the Russian Legion as an example to try and prove the validity of my concerns over people pushing the rules and knowingly breaking them.

In fact as I look back, my posts were in complete contradiction to why I normally post on the net. Instead of trying to help and promote paintball, which is what I normally do (at great cost to myself), I was attacking a team through inferred commments, whom I have a huge amount of respect and admiration for. Again I apologise for that. I made a big mistakes in using the RL as an example for my concerns. My concerns on these things are as a general point for the whole of this sport and any specific inferred comments about the RL have no basis in fact and should not have been made.

manike
 

nippinout

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Jebus

I hate it when any discussion becomes an orgy of personal attacks.

It takes a big man to say that he was wrong.

We should all be more like Manike.

Jebus, don't ban people for having an opinion. It would be boring if no one commented about my Alf shirt.

PS Remember that whole mess with Jerry Braun? I still do.
 

Timmee

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It's really ...

... a dead issue. All parties concerned admitted fault, and the healing has begun. Hopefully everyone can put this behind them and get back to the important topics, like how they did this past weekend (if they played at all), what new tricks they learned (I'm talking strategy, nothing more), or how they finally figured out why their combination am/fm/lcd/gps/cd player/grip frame was only allowing them to shoot at 45 balls per second.:D
 

Cenobite

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Takes balls to make such a post well done. Hope your ban is lifted soon mate...the board is a worse place without you imho.

I think the discussion in question actually made many great points from both sides, however I think more importantly it also demonstrated how the internet can easily flare things up out of proportion. I host a few various forums, and see this kind of thing regularly, even amongst people who are great friends in real life.

Email and forums such as this are for the most part a non-emotive medium, what one person intends as a matter of fact statement of an idea, may well be taken in a different context by another and cause arguments. You cant tell if someone is angry, or calm, or joking. It can cause big problems. There is also the fact that its relatively anonymous which causes people to word things differently than they might face to face.

I think something else that can be taken from this whole incident is that if you feel provoked into argument or feel insulted by a post, take some time, take a step back, take a deep breath and ensure things are taken in the light they were intended.