a4 trigger bounce question

[Mikey D]

right theres been all these threads about trigegr bounce, and it just brought a thought to my mind.

ive seen the new a4, and it has these 'vernier' wheels that adjust the trigger.

now, would it be possible to actually adjust the trigger so that it bounces, and should you be asked to chrony, give it a quick twist, and it fires normally.

now there might be a tournament lock, there might not be, im not sure, but the player is the one who locks it, say they dont lock it, surely its easy to adjust very quickly and get away with it, play the game normally, then re-adjust for the bounce in the tent before the next game.

am i on to something or not?

 

[Zwitta]

There is a really obvious tourney lockdown allen worm screw thingy... I guess its up to the marshalls to check the wheels dont move when they are doing the chrono stuff.

You are still onto something, but with every innovation in paintball there is always something or someone thats going to show concern regarding it.

Anyways, I hope this helped

 

[acsik]

It has the opto board in it so it has much less chance to bounce!


Cya

 

[A.B]

hmmmmmmmm tell that to my e-blade

 

[manike]

There is a tourny lock on the trigger adjustments so you would need an allen key to change it on field if it is locked down correctly.

Something else for the judges to look for...

But it should be perfectly legal, so no need to worry.

 

[acsik]

Originally posted by agb
hmmmmmmmm tell that to my e-blade

Ohh I was waiting for this example!

Allright here is my answer!

Trigger bounce: The electronical switch's multipile signals (on "on") unfiltered...


Eblade trigger bounce: The hair triggers activation by kickback!

The two are not the same but their results are more or less the same.

(switch bounce multipile shots on one pull)
(gun bounce kinda full auto)


Cheers!

 

[ChrisWhiteSTEL]

All the same, something is bouncing in both occassions, you can't really attach that phrase to any particualar part of a triggers cycle.

We have been "told" that trigger bounce is taking advantage of the micro switches ability to make multiple contacts.

To be honest kick in some markers with short triggers like an Impy can keep shooting on and on like full auto if the kick is sufficient (seen it happen).

End of the day... (Sorry for the thread jack Mr. Downing ) the Angel 4 has these wheels and is a concern if Marshalls are not aware or told to check this out. Adjust is easy like Mike said and as long as it is checked it should be ok.

 

[Zwitta]

in reply to everyone but manike (becuase you seem to have understood the question fully)... The question here is not whether you can make the a4 bounce or not, after the sad guys had a play with one for a while it became pretty obvious that you can make it bounce. The question being asked here is... why can a person set the trigger so it wont bounce and so its safe, give it to a marshall to chrono (without a bouncy trigger), then get on the field and make the trigger bouncy as hell...

The answer is, if the allen key isn't screwed down people can change the trigger all they want on field they can make it bounce like a biatch if they want to, however provided the marshalls check the tourny lock whilst also checking that it doesn't bounce, then there will be no problems..

I hope this clears it up.

Zwit

 

[Mikey D]

like i said, it depends on the player tightening the screw thingy.
just the same as with a max flo, the cap must be tightened to stop fps being increased by increasing pressure.

now ive played 2 tournaments using a max flo, and neither time, in any of the games were there any checks to make sure this was tightened. so whats the likelihood of a marshall checking the trigger, thats if they even know about this possibility.

this isnt about increasing fps, but if you had the chance to get away with bouncing the trigger to achieve 20bps, would you?

now if we are all honest, its something we would take if its as easy as it seems with this method of trigger adjustement. im sure i would, and im sure all of you would.
the biggest problem would be to prove it anyway. should a player do this, ask to be checked for bounce and give a quick change on the wheels, how can the marshalls say hes changed it?
they could accuse the player of doing this, but it can only be seen as circumstancial evidence.
'but marshall, i was sure it was tightened before the game, i'll make extra sure next game'

i think WDP have made a very controversial development here, and something needs to be doe about it.

 

[Collier]

Originally posted by mike from brum
like i said, it depends on the player tightening the screw thingy.
just the same as with a max flo, the cap must be tightened to stop fps being increased by increasing pressure.

now ive played 2 tournaments using a max flo, and neither time, in any of the games were there any checks to make sure this was tightened. so whats the likelihood of a marshall checking the trigger, thats if they even know about this possibility.

this isnt about increasing fps, but if you had the chance to get away with bouncing the trigger to achieve 20bps, would you?

now if we are all honest, its something we would take if its as easy as it seems with this method of trigger adjustement. im sure i would, and im sure all of you would.
the biggest problem would be to prove it anyway. should a player do this, ask to be checked for bounce and give a quick change on the wheels, how can the marshalls say hes changed it?
they could accuse the player of doing this, but it can only be seen as circumstancial evidence.
'but marshall, i was sure it was tightened before the game, i'll make extra sure next game'

i think WDP have made a very controversial development here, and something needs to be doe about it.

I'd have to disagree Mike, the WAS boards that some Timmies and new Vikings and Excaliburs use both allow you to set the debounce setting through the trigger. Was I at any point tempted to adjust it mid game? hell no! It certainly wasn't checked to see if the board was in competition mode or not but then can marshalls be expected to know everything about every gun?
The A4 comes with a debounce setting, this will be more influential as to how much bounce the marker will have as apposed to trigger length IMO.

Paul