People who have had the opportunity to shoot the production .50 cal markers at the world cup have started to post their opinions - nothing clear cut with some contradictions.
PBnation said:I shot .50 cal yesterday at World Cup 2 times, first in the dealer shooting range and later on one of the fields. When shooting in the range I thought it shot just like 68 cal except that a hopper holds a lot more balls which is nice.
Just after 6pm the G.I. Sim 50 cal was on the field. I watched someone shoot from back right to his mirror at Chris Lasoya. The accuracy did not seem as good as a normal 68. Chris started with just a normal in action lean out of the bunker and when he didn’t get hit after a couple ropes maybe 15-20 shots total he put most of his body out and got hit several times. The paint was making it across field, but not with a lot of speed. They said it was shooting at around 270 fps which looked right.
I then asked Chris if he could do the same shooting at me. Chris’ aim was better but still not as good as 68. I was leaning out of the bunker almost halfway. The first string of maybe 8 all missed me a couple getting close, the next of maybe 6 one hit my mask. I leaned out a little more exposing about half of my upper body and 4 of maybe 6 hit me. I am however 6’2 and 200 pounds. Playing that far out of my bunker I should have been hit at least 50%. In the test range the splat appeared to about as big as a 68, but the splat on my shirt was about half the size of 68.
Chris handed me the gun to shoot at him and the first thing I noticed is that the 50 cal is much harder to see across field. I could not tell where my rope was going. I moved the gun up and down as I threw a rope at him and saw one hit his mask, but I couldnt tell if I was missing high or low. When I walked closer to him later I saw I hit him a couple times on his shoulder but I didn’t see it break when I was shooting. Tough to yell to the refs that you hit the guy if you cant see it break. Half the paint makes a big difference from across the field.
I then watched it get chrono’d and it came in between 315 to 335 with about 7 shots. Much higher then the claimed 270. The 50 cal does not carry as well as the 68. I also have a hard time believing that they didn’t know it was going much faster then 270. I would think that they know normal ball speed isn’t enough to carry across field and so turned it up. PSP also has the smallest fields I don’t see how it could carry far enough in regular weekend paintball games and scenario seems impossible without really turning it up.
One of the reps then said that the fps rule needed to be changed for 50 cal since it’s smaller and doesn’t hit as hard. That might work if the game was only shooting across field, but what if your gun fighting at close range and the ball hasn’t slowed down much? The guy with 68 is shooting at 300 fps and the guy with 50 gets to shoot at 330? Doesn’t seem very fair. Rather is seems that they know they need to change the rules to favor 50 cal so it can compete.
The pluses of the 50 cal are the higher count in your hopper (you’d have to get a new one) and pods and it doesn’t hurt as much when you get hit. Doubt its soft enough that girls will want to play but it may be better for the birthday group kids. Real ballers in my opinion will continue to shoot 68
TechPB said:Sup fellas
I'm putting this quick blog in the news section, just because of how heavy the questions have been coming in about .50 caliber
If you want to read a good "hard sell" on the .50 caliber, pick up the latest facefull magazine. Richmond Italia definitely does a great job of answering the questions in regards to .50 caliber, and certainly make a great case selling it.
GI MilSim had a shooting range next to their booth, but I wasn't interested in shooting it in an enclosed environment. I wanted to shoot it on the XBall field, where I know distances and range VERY well, due to 6+ years I've been playing XBall
GI MilSim has assembled a very strong "guerilla marketing" effort, in terms of young players, going around and spreading the word
They are not "in disguise", they are definitely wearing GI MilSim shirts, but they are doing a great job promoting the booth, talking to people about it, shooting video, etc
That aside, I got a phone call from Chris Lasoya telling me that he was going to be shooting the .50 cal on the XBall Field, behind the Valken booth. So I walked over there, and saw a small crowd of people, taking turns shooting the 50 cal marker.
This was my first experience shooting the 50 cal marker. The gun they handed to me was a tiny spool valve marker, unfortunately I can't remember the name of it. My first impression shooting the gun, is the gun has zero recoil. You know how your gun feels when you don't have any paint in it, and you're dryfiring it? That's what shooting 50 cal is like. No kick, none. How could it? The ball is smaller
The gun was shooting about 300fps, from the chrono that was brought out to the field by Jack Rice, who took some time away from the Empire tent to come out and test it out, to consider if he wanted to start making parts for a 50 cal Alien. It was actually VERY smart of him to bring out a hand chrono, and he chrono'd the gun before he shot it to ensure the proper speed
Now, I'm not drinking the 50 cal kool-aid. I'm making an unbiased, observation. I have no financial gain or loss from 50 cal succeeding or failing, I have no interested in lying about how good/how bad it works. As a professional "paintball product tester", I went into this with a completely open mind, trying to feel this new shooting caliber out.
With that said, I will say that I was very surprised how it shot. I was expecting the rounds to "flutter", kinda like how a .68 does after 150 feet when shot out of a flatline barrel or apex. You know how the round just goes.... then kinda dies out really quick? I expected that from 50 cal. This didn't happen. The balls came out, and pushed the air in the same predictable arc as normal paintballs. Corner to corner on the XBall field, the balls were still zipping in with good speed.
I asked "How is that possible? That a smaller, lighter ball can travel with what appears... to be the same predicatable arc as a normal .68 paintball?" Richmond answered "Wind resistance. Yes it's smaller, yes it's lighter, but there is less wind resistance for the same speed".
Very interesting....
So after shooting it a few more times, I asked Chris Lasoya to shoot me with it. I wanted to feel against my skin, how the round feels when it hits at 300fps. So I stood a little more than halfway across the field, and Chris shot about 30 balls at me. Most broke, some bounced, but the impact was noticably lighter than the 60 cal. The "thump" followed by the "sting" that you get with normal paint wasn't there. I felt the impact, but it wasn't nearly as bad as .68 caliber in terms of pain.
I actually walked up, took the gun from Chris, and shot myself from point black range about 6 to 10 times on my arm and calf, to REALLY feel how the round from close up. Yes, it left a welt from an inch away, but considerably less pain, less trauma, less sting, and less bleeding than what a .68 would do
Right now, I was a very pleasantly surprised how it performed. Still not 100% convinced, I notified them that I wanted to do further testing, and I was told that at the end of the event, I will be given some guns, some paint and possibly a loader to test this new caliber out in REAL life, on the XBall field and in the woods.
Right now, my gut feeling is more of relief than anything else. Why? Because my first impression is the round performs pretty damn well. It's accurate, the guns don't kick (at all), the range APPEARS to be there at first glance. The paint manufacturing is going to be the challenge. Wall thickness, paint thickness, colors, etc. As far as "marking", the balls indeed left a nice sized paint splat. You can easily tell that you have been hit. Since the hit is MUCH less lighter than a normal round, if the industry goes this way, players are going to need to be ALOT more careful about not playing on. Because when it hits, it's a VERY light impact that could easy be interpreted as a "graze" or a bounce.
So right now, I'm still keeping an open mind on the issue. My first impression is the guns shoot pretty nice. Luckily, Gordon (Cockerpunk) also shot the gun, so I'm curious to see his impressions also.
More details to follow...
The pain reduction is interesting......I'm now all for everyone else shooting .50, although I think I'll stick to .68 to make sure people know they've been hitJack Rice said:Hello from Cup I shot 50 Cal
The biggest question is the disance - side line - back to back is not impressive - they said it was shooting 270 but I took my chrono and it was 320 + - 10
I was also told that the rules should be changed so 50 cal is allowed to shot higher speeds because the impact was less, give them an advantage to make things fair.
On the the side I also saw EGO's convert kit and, as I suspected, two sleeves and a new bolt changes it quickly.
From what I saw if you want to play in a smaller area with less impact then 50 cal is good - maybe even for newer players or younger players - so it hurts less - maybe walk on's all play 50 cal so nobody gets over shot - might be really good for the sport overall. But as far as real ballers changing - not from what I saw...my opinion anyway