Joint Statement from the Paintball Association and the UK Masters.

[Bully]

On the point raised by Russ the companies that produce the products (regs and bottles)both in the UK and abroad would have liability cover. So if the reg failed and a player was injured then they could take action against the reg manufacturer (or UK supplier) BUT I am sure that their legal eagles would turn it around to prove the failure was the result of the player, the HPA supplier or action by unknown individuals.

Steve

 

[PreacherMan]

Thanks for your response Russ..
I understand that you are in a difficult position as companies have been know to use legal pressure to keep things like this legal until proved unsafe.
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Trying telling that one to the Solicitors/Insurance Companies when someone claims on the 'player insurance' everyone's been asked to take out....

question:- why does their seem to be a rise in bottles/regs exploding especially stakos/regs... is it the stako bottle at fault? is it the regs that come with the bottles are faulty OR are people who buy these bottles changing the regs incorrectly?

it appears that Stakos are usually involved when a tank goes bang... How many people are using Stakos/regs compared to any other bottle/reg?
1 in 10 if your a tourney player but woodballers wouldnt be using stakos so that probably brings it down to 1 in 50 players ?

how many stakos/regs have blown and how many other bottles/regs have blown?

Solicitors/Insurance companies, base who is to blame on the Facts in front of them or who they deem negligent, player, organiser or BOTH

 

[dextrus]

SO how much 12.50= insurance yes???

 

[Bully]

Just for a bit of general feedback in the last 48 hrs 26 players have joined the UKPSF - I will update this after the weekend.

35 have completed the online form so does that mean that the 9 who filled the form in think it is free or they haven't got a paypal account or a credit card

Steve

 

[Shadlad]

I personally think after the tests that went on after the first Stako problems there will be no problem explaining and showing a Stako is safe.

 

[ItchyTFN]

Trying telling that one to the Solicitors/Insurance Companies when someone claims on the 'player insurance' everyone's been asked to take out....

question:- why does their seem to be a rise in bottles/regs exploding especially stakos/regs... is it the stako bottle at fault? is it the regs that come with the bottles are faulty OR are people who buy these bottles changing the regs incorrectly?

it appears that Stakos are usually involved when a tank goes bang... How many people are using Stakos/regs compared to any other bottle/reg?
1 in 10 if your a tourney player but woodballers wouldnt be using stakos so that probably brings it down to 1 in 50 players ?

how many stakos/regs have blown and how many other bottles/regs have blown?

Solicitors/Insurance companies, base who is to blame on the Facts in front of them or who they deem negligent, player, organiser or BOTH

I completely agree with any of this, and would prefer for safetys sake for these bottles to be allowed at any field until reasons for these explosions are found and explained..
Im sure we would find that ALOT goes on behind the scenes with this. Sites / organisers could be pressured by said company and their lawyers not to officially ban them as it hasn't been 'proved' what item or combination of items are to blame.
All a bit suspect if you ask me..

 

[Dark Warrior]

I completely agree with any of this, and would prefer for safetys sake for these bottles to be allowed at any field until reasons for these explosions are found and explained..
Im sure we would find that ALOT goes on behind the scenes with this. Sites / organisers could be pressured by said company and their lawyers not to officially ban them as it hasn't been 'proved' what item or combination of items are to blame.
All a bit suspect if you ask me..

Please note to date not one Stako bottles has been found to be at fault.
A lawyer and the courts have to deal with facts given to them by expert witnesses. This bottles have been independently tested and found not to be a fault

I think one thing that should stop is the selling of second hand air systems on this site like (TalkPaintball.com) If you buy a second hand system you don't know what has happen to it before you got your hands on it. And a shorter life say like 5 years like the stako. So you don't have system's kicking around for 10+ years.

Talk Paintball do not ban the sale of 2nd hand bottles just 2nd hand air regulators

 

[PreacherMan]

I personally think after the tests that went on after the first Stako problems there will be no problem explaining and showing a Stako is safe.

so if the problem is not with the bottle, then the reg they fit on the bottle is at fault OR other regs are not suitable to use with a Stako?

They can only be deemed safe when you dont hear of them exploding regardless of wether its the tank or reg at fault.......

 

[ItchyTFN]

This bottles have been independently tested and found not to be a fault

I dont think thats true DW. Yes the bottles have been pressure tested, however the fault of each of the 3 explosions hasnt been proved on anything. Many theorys are there tho. Fact remains - 3 stackos have gone bang in a big way in the last year. This is the reason people/sites/leagues are taking nessecary precautions

 

[Jeff Abbott - Dye]

Please note to date not one Stako bottles has been found to be at fault.
A lawyer and the courts have to deal with facts given to them by expert witnesses. This bottles have been independently tested and found not to be a fault

Nope.

They have been found to pass the tests as laid down by the legislation that is in place for Air tanks such as these.

No one has proved OR disproved that a combination of this tank and a particular reg, filled in a particular way would cause an explosion or not.

There is a difference in saying they pass the tests that exist and saying they are safe for use in a paintball environment.

A 747 is classed as a safe aircraft but I wouldn't get in one if they were going to do loop the loops in the hurricane.

keka