Lenght of backs?

[Teggy]

i play woodsball mostly...

looking for the best, not what looks the best

if i were going for what looked the best it would be a matte black Freak Kit, they look awesome!

 

[Lump]

i play woodsball mostly...

looking for the best, not what looks the best

if i were going for what looked the best it would be a matte black Freak Kit, they look awesome!

there you go a freak kit is awscrum all the sizes up need and you think it looks good job done go for a 16 though

 

[Teggy]

why 16 inch?

i was thinking of a 14 inch

and whats the main differences in performance between the carbon fiber barrels and steel ones(freak, UL, pepper sticks)?

other then weight of course

 

[Skeet]

Most of the research that Tom Kaye did was years ago 'back in the woods' when the fields were epic, there were 10 men a side and you were shooting at targets quite often at the limit of the markers effective range.
Nowadays on the (much) smaller fields we play on, you would be hard pressed to tell a difference in accuracy just by the barrel itself.

I go with lump, buy what looks best for your gun.

That doesn't really change the Physics of it though, does it?
The Law of Gravity hasn't changed since Newton stumbled apon it "years ago" and the same is true with accelerating a paintball to 300fps.

From a standing start, you need 8 inches of un-ported barrel to accelerate a paintball to 300 fps.

 

[Skeet]

why 16 inch?

i was thinking of a 14 inch

and whats the main differences in performance between the carbon fiber barrels and steel ones(freak, UL, pepper sticks)?

other then weight of course

The only Steel barrels that I know of, where DYE Boomsticks, that had steel or Titanium backs. Not now though.

Barrels are comprised of aluminium and or fibre.

Fibre barrels are lighter, but I think they are a bit tarty and have drawbacks, like...you cant use a fluffy stick in CF barrels as it damages the barrel (yes!)
Also, despite CF being very strong for it's weight, if you slap your barrel in the wrong way, it WILL break. In the woods, I would also say a 16inch aluminium barrel.

The extra couple of inches, is mainly for getting the shot out from cover. It wont REALLY improve accuracy, unless it creates back spin on the ball.

 

[Teggy]

From a standing start, you need 8 inches of un-ported barrel to accelerate a paintball to 300 fps.

so how come barrels with less than 8 inches of no porting achieve 300fps?

so then, in essence the redz pepper sticks, with their 8 inch backs would be the best barrel?

Im still thinking of a Freak... sorry im a woodsballer and like my things matte or dust color, i really dont like the glossy finish...

are there any other matte/dust color barrels, other than the UL and Freaks?

sorry for all the questions, rather new to paintball, and i like to do alot of research before i buy anything, to make sure i've done the right thing

In my country the paint balling community is pretty much a one street thing, everyone has the same stuff, and wandering away from the main is hard.

 

[Skeet]

so how come barrels with less than 8 inches of no porting achieve 300fps?

so then, in essence the redz pepper sticks, with their 8 inch backs would be the best barrel?

Im still thinking of a Freak... sorry im a woodsballer and like my things matte or dust color, i really dont like the glossy finish...

are there any other matte/dust color barrels, other than the UL and Freaks?

sorry for all the questions, rather new to paintball, and i like to do alot of research before i buy anything, to make sure i've done the right thing

In my country the paint balling community is pretty much a one street thing, everyone has the same stuff, and wandering away from the main is hard.

Well, its a question of efficiency.

A longer barrel, will require more air to have a ball exit at 300 fps.
Porting on a barrel, means more air is required, if there is lots of porting before you get to the 8 inch mark.

It's the same with Air Rifles. A .177 air rifle, requires more air to achieve 12ftlbs of muzzle energy . If you put a .22 barrel on a .177 Air rifle (can be done easily enough), it will shoot above the 12ftlbs limit (which is highly illegal over here!)

To be honest, it's academic really. People were saying you need this length barrel etc, and Tom proved that you only need 8 inches to allow a given volume of gas to accelerate the ball to 300 fps.
If you chrony a marker to 300 fps, with a 14 Freak or similar ported barrel, then put a shorter and/or unported barrel on the gun (like a Redz back), the gun will shoot hot, period.

If you like the black matt Freak, get it...they look lovely (better than the old one) and you can choose the insert you need.

Peppersticks only come in Gloss Black.

If your into Woodsball, you may want to try (as well) one of the trick barrels, like the one that allows you to turn the front of the barrel, to put spin on the ball, and shoot around corners, dip the shots, or give them longer range...cant remember what they are called now.

 

[Lump]

16 is just abit longer for woodsball to reach through over groth etc


and what skeet said

 

[Teggy]

think i might get a redz pepper stick...

and by the way who is Tom?

the inventor of the pepper sticks?

 

[speedbird_666]

That doesn't really change the Physics of it though, does it?
The Law of Gravity hasn't changed since Newton stumbled apon it "years ago" and the same is true with accelerating a paintball to 300fps.

You are looking at what i'm saying out of context, i assumed that Teggy played supair, i've now found he doesn't.

I did not say that Tom Kaye was wrong, nor the laws of physics have changed, rather that with the typical ranges that we shoot at on a SupAir field these days the subjective accuracy does not vary radically with barrel choice alone.

From a standing start, you need 8 inches of un-ported barrel to accelerate a paintball to 300 fps.

No, not quite. Tom Kaye's research clearly states 'that best efficiency would be had with an 8-10" effective length barrel'

Note the word efficiency there, because you can fire a paintball with less than 8 inches of unported barrel, but to the possible detriment to efficiency. And to add further a further twist to the tale:

'Under some circumstances there is a good reason to use a short effective length barrel. Short barrels cut off the acceleration abruptly by venting and this has the effect of tightening up the shot to shot velocity variation. If you need this at the expense of efficiency then go ahead. Tighter velocity control usually translates into some improvement in accuracy due to better consistency'

The full article is here: http://www.automags.org/resource/tech/tomstech/01_barrel_eff.shtml