Masters Barrel bag rule.

[ollytheosteo]

Ah, the humble barrel bag/cover/condom/jimmy hat. Once a mere safety device it now has the power to destroy Millennium teams wholesale and even give some Masters teams a bit of a hard time.
I can see the sense in the rule that the barrel bag must be kept on the player's person as it is the only way of making the gun safe without turning it off and messing up all those carefully programmed cheat modes, but I'd love someone to explain the reasoning behind the rule that we aren't allowed to sock up after being shot or in the dead box. Don't get me wrong. I'm not whinging or having a go at anyone, and we've never been penalised over this but I don't understand the rationale behind this rule and need it explained to me.
I came into paintball from shooting real guns, and in the world of firearms the key rule is to make the weapon safe whenever you aren't shooting it, as this reduces the chances of shooting yourself in the parts. By the same light I always felt the sensible thing to do on getting eliminated was to sock up as it shows very clearly that I'm out, and reduces the chances of shooting any eliminated teammates. I can see with electronic trickery that turning gun off is a big no-no, but can someone explain to me the reasoning behind not being allowed to sock up until everyone has been checked? I would have thought anything that makes things safer on field would be a good idea

 

[W1llnorthernhero]

hi olly im in no way gonna try and explain this rule you have questioned im simply asking if this is actually a rule as on sunday in the games in which i was eliminated i socked up my gun on arrival to the dead box every time and know on said anything to me or my teammates?

also at the milleniums there is a separate area to put your marker when you are shot so if the masters want to have the no socking up rule perhaps a no markers in the dead box rule needs to be brought in ?

 

[zipatronic]

hi olly im in no way gonna try and explain this rule you have questioned im simply asking if this is actually a rule as on sunday in the games in which i was eliminated i socked up my gun on arrival to the dead box every time and know on said anything to me or my teammates?

also at the milleniums there is a separate area to put your marker when you are shot so if the masters want to have the no socking up rule perhaps a no markers in the dead box rule needs to be brought in ?

did no one say anything because no 1 actually saw you do it??
its like the sticker rule on the hoppers, only field 1 made us take them off if you had more than 2 on but the other fields we played on never said anything.

 

[TinFish]

I read through the masters rules a few days ago and the hopper/sticker rule says nothing about number/size of stickers, only that they must not look like a hit or contain the colour orange.

EDIT:

9.17 Stickers on markers and Loaders are allowed but must not look in any way like a
shot. If a referee feels that any sticker looks like a hit and will cause him problems he can
ask the player to remove it failure to do so will result in elimination of the offending
player. Colours of stickers may not contain the colour orange.

 

[ollytheosteo]

I'm talking about this rule;

Barrel socks are not to be placed on to makers until told to do so by the Ultimate, any player caught socking up his marker prior to being told to do so will be eliminated. If the player is already eliminated a live member of his team will be eliminated if this is not possible his team will receive 1 penalty points at a seven man event and 25 penalty points at a 5 man event.

I'm sure there must be a reason for it, just not sure what it is. And we've had a thread or two about stickers so lets try and keep this on topic please

 

[Ranger]

I have to admit olly that i cant see any normal reasoning behind this rule.
It doesnt prevent anything as such and seems to ignore the obvious dangers of live markers in the dead zones etc..not to mention that darker side of shooting from the dead box. I would have to agree that it would be better and make more sense if the rule read 'All players once eliminated must place a barrel sock onto their markers to prevent any accidental shootings occuring'.
The way its worded at the moment just doesnt seem to have any point other than the opportunity to penalize a cautious saftey minded player.

 

[rusty56]

hi, yeah i dont understand this rule ether in my opinion its a bit stupid but im not complaining because we played a team, lost but the ultimate made it a draw because they put there socks on with out him saying lol loved him after that and the sticker rule, on feild 5 they told us to remove stickers to make it so we had two on each side fair enough but after on feild 3 they told us to remove all stickers on my loader it all a bit to plain now.
rusty

 

[Sid Sidgwick]

We were caught out by the socking up rule in the April masters, we had just won the game with 5 alive and two of our team put the barrel socks on the marker (they didnt turn the markers off) and were eliminated for doing so. I couldnt understand this viewpoint as it is making it safer and is not disturbing any settings you have used in the game.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

But you live and learn and it wont happen again

 

[zipatronic]

can we have a definite answer from some body in the know please.... wendy???

 

[graeme_b]

Olly, i believe that its because marshalls are not allowed to check your marker for bounce, ramp or running hot if you have socked up. We had an incident on sunday where one of the marshals thought one of our guns was bouncing during the game, if we had socked up on entry to deadbox he would not have been allowed to check it! Or so i believe, best thing to do Olly is to contact J.C (James Conroy) or cityking (Jon Conroy) and ask them they will know the answer!!!