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[Skeet]

Some parts of American have pretty strict gun laws.

As Baca said, you cant buy a pistol over the counter...you have a lead time of at least 5 days...not sure if that is so they can check you out, or to potentially give you time to cool off!

You can pretty much buy a Shotgun or a Bolt action rifle (long guns)...but Semi Auto stuff and full auto does have further restrictions in some places I think.

You also have to be able to prove yourself as well...generally with a Drivers Licence from that state or its surrounding states...

Nor can you carry a gun with you everywhere, as some would think.

With references to number of guns and gun crime...Nevada has very lax gun laws...making it easy to carry a gun...even in your car..and has extremely low crime rates.

Go to a certain neighbouring state, with stricter gun laws...very high crime rates.

Lets face it...in the UK...if everybody had the right to own a gun and potentially use it to defend person or property in the right circumstances, it doesn't automatically mean everyone will tool themselves up...but...it does mean, that every time a criminal decides to do something, such as burgle a house, or rob a shop...he faces the very real threat of being shot dead.

Would that not make you think twice? Even if you were stoned?

Before anyone says that it wont change anything, or will make everything worse...possibly...but...at the moment, a UK Criminal, is a criminal and isn't worried about carrying a knife or a gun, they can and do, do it..knowing that 99% of the time, their poor victim is utterly defenceless and certainly wont have a gun within easy reach.

Think about the arms race. All the major nations had huge stock piles of nuclear weapons. So, if one kicks off...the one they attack is going to get it too...so, for those civilised, not completely stupid nations, it was a healthy arrangement, both safe in the knowledge, that neither would attack the other for fear of instant and terminal reprisals.

I'm not saying I am all for armed Police or an armed society...but it many ways, it does make sense.

Essay over

 

[Mario]

Even if you were stoned?

come on skeet...

In saying that, you brand all users of drugs violent criminals. You and i both know that not to be the case.

 

[themisfit89]

EDIT ADDED: text speak and general illiteracy. Better luck next time. TFP

 

[Baca Loco]

With references to number of guns and gun crime...Nevada has very lax gun laws...making it easy to carry a gun...even in your car..and has extremely low crime rates.

States like Nevada and including Florida require concealed carry permits to have a gun on your person in public or in your car, for example. And all waiting periods everywhere are for local police checks to make sure you aren't a convicted felon, etc.

 

[Skeet]

come on skeet...

In saying that, you brand all users of drugs violent criminals. You and i both know that not to be the case.

Quite the reverse actually.
I had already established that it was criminals I was referring to and implied that if you were a criminal, it would make you think twice...even if you were a drug addicted criminal, who's next fix depended on being a criminal.

I would not brand all drug users as violent criminals and I would not brand all violent criminals, drug users.

As has been pointed out, a great deal of UK crime is drug induced.

Is that all you have to comment on after that insightful essay?

Congrats on your recent Modship by the way!

 

[Skeet]

States like Nevada and including Florida require concealed carry permits to have a gun on your person in public or in your car, for example. And all waiting periods everywhere are for local police checks to make sure you aren't a convicted felon, etc.

In Nevada, you can carry a loaded pistol in your car (not on your person, but in the car glove box or wherever) for your own defence.
Apparently it is called a "Peaceable Journey Law".

Regarding Permits, of course...permits are generally required...but...it is still easy enough to be a gun owner, provided you are a resident of Nevada or one of its contiguous States.

I am not familiar with States that allow concealed weapons, but was aware that such allowances existed

I would not attempt to teach you about gun law in your own country...but as a general view, for the non initiated of this side of the pond, I felt it was relevant

EDIT ADDED: All those kids out west are cowboys after all. Yee-hawww! and so on. And you can carry (in moving vehicles) open containers (of alcohol) in Texas. TFP

 

[Mario]

Ok it came across to me as you throwing drug users into the same barrel as houserobbing criminals. But if you say your not then i believe you

I honestly have no comment on guns and whether or not i think its a good idea. I can see both sides of the argument. Ive held a gun, fired a gun and found it immensely enjoyable but i dont think i'd ever have one. Its just not me.

 

[Skeet]

Ok it came across to me as you throwing drug users into the same barrel as houserobbing criminals. But if you say your not then i believe you

I honestly have no comment on guns and whether or not i think its a good idea. I can see both sides of the argument. Ive held a gun, fired a gun and found it immensely enjoyable but i dont think i'd ever have one. Its just not me.

Yeah...I saw your point...I have used Cannabis before, little else and actually found that Cannabis users, of a certain intellectual level, are very interesting people to spend time with!

I distinctly remember, spending several long hours in a University, while visiting a friend, smoking huge amounts of funny fags..and creating a very impressive "bust" of an Alien (grey) out of plasticine...very thought provoking. I also learned that my friend didn't wear knickers all the time, which was also a rewarding experience

Your gun comment, illustrates my point, that if gun ownership were to legally be more widespread in the UK, it doesn't mean everyone would own one...but the risk is there, for the would'be housebreaker/carjacker/rapist/murderer.

 

[Inq]

Well I ordered my first marker off a british website using only my debit card... surely that's easier than in a store where the cashier has every right to refuse you service? I don't think you CAN buy guns in walmart... you used to be able to buy ammunition in them until Michael Moore created "Bowling for Columbine" and walked into a single walmart...

If all you know is what some piece of Micheal Moore agitprop tells you you know zip, zero and nada

...and left with at least 2 full shopping bags of 9mm rounds...

9mm rounds fired from an Intratec TEC-DC9 have an effective range of 55m whereas the Colt AR-15 firing 5.56 Nato rounds has an effective range of 550m...

What kind of store sells ammunition knowing that the effective range is only 55m? Could it be a store that KNOWS it's not going to be for hunting (the only real use for weapons in modern America) or could it be a store that thinks it's customers are idiots and will take a 9mm hunting with them? (and for the record... Americans are not idiots... just the few we get to see)... or could it be a store that is too afraid to stand up against the holy constitution and say "Ya know what... sod that! We arn't gonna be accessories to murder anymore!"

Charlton Heston: I have only five words for you: FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!

Family Guy : "You think the language in the second amendment is clear enough? Ya know about the right to bear arms?"

"Of course it's clear! Every American has the right to hang a pair of bear arms on their wall! How could that possibly be misconstrued?"

 

[Skeet]

Well I ordered my first marker off a british website using only my debit card... surely that's easier than in a store where the cashier has every right to refuse you service? I don't think you CAN buy guns in walmart... you used to be able to buy ammunition in them until Michael Moore created "Bowling for Columbine" and walked into a single walmart...



...and left with at least 2 full shopping bags of 9mm rounds...

9mm rounds fired from an Intratec TEC-DC9 have an effective range of 55m whereas the Colt AR-15 firing 5.56 Nato rounds has an effective range of 550m...

What kind of store sells ammunition knowing that the effective range is only 55m? Could it be a store that KNOWS it's not going to be for hunting (the only real use for weapons in modern America) or could it be a store that thinks it's customers are idiots and will take a 9mm hunting with them? (and for the record... Americans are not idiots... just the few we get to see)... or could it be a store that is too afraid to stand up against the holy constitution and say "Ya know what... sod that! We arn't gonna be accessories to murder anymore!"

Charlton Heston: I have only five words for you: FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!

Family Guy : "You think the language in the second amendment is clear enough? Ya know about the right to bear arms?"

"Of course it's clear! Every American has the right to hang a pair of bear arms on their wall! How could that possibly be misconstrued?"

You have to be a certain age in order to have a debit card..probably not 17, but a certain age...read the part about markers not actually being governed by an age limit as such.

Walmart.

http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_constraint=4125&search_query=Mossberg&Continue.x=0&Continue.y=0&Continue=Find&ic=24_0

I would imagine the effective range of a 9mm Parabellum round is around 55m as you stated...from a Tec 9 it would probably be less than that, in reality as machine pistols are notoriously inaccurate...meaning, you would likely spray and miss!

You would not use a Tec 9 for hunting.

You do not have to use a 9mm Parabellum for "busting caps" in asses.

You could use it for Target shooting...home protection etc or as a backup when out hunting, for dispatching large injured game.

They sell them because they sell...the same as producers of Tobacco products.

It was also, "Cold dead fingers".