Millennium SPL Info

[Nick Brockdorff]

like a lot of things Nick, it's not the message, it's how you deliver it, and on that note, he is 100% culpable.

Ah, but in this case, I think the MESSAGE is the important part

It would surprise me greatly, if Ulrich had sent out that email, with those requirements in it, without the board having approved it first.

Also, it would stun me to learn that he was instrumental in the price hike and the short notice for paying to retain a spot in the league.

So, while I am completely at peace with you taking pot shots at Ulrich I think you - in this instance - should be gunning for larger prey...

Nick

 

[Robbo]

Ah, but in this case, I think the MESSAGE is the important part

It would surprise me greatly, if Ulrich had sent out that email, with those requirements in it, without the board having approved it first.

Also, it would stun me to learn that he was instrumental in the price hike and the short notice for paying to retain a spot in the league.

So, while I am completely at peace with you taking pot shots at Ulrich I think you - in this instance - should be gunning for larger prey...

Nick

Nick, I agree with everything you say mate but I think you are missing what I am suggesting.
ulrich has no say whatsoever in the price hike itself, he is but a very small cog in that organization; he has however, a say in its delivery and timing.

This guy punches well above his weight in the Millennium purely because they can't get anyone else to do his job because as a public relations exercise, ulrich is a fackin disaster.
In any 'normal' commercial enterprise, ulrich would have been sacked a long time ago because of the way he treats the Millennium's customers i.e. teams and players.
He is actively hated by an awful lot of people purely because of his attitude, intransigence and rudeness.

I agree, the price hike is a very real problem and it is one that should be addressed by people like yourself who have to pay the damn monies (fortunately I don't have to any more).

I don't agree with Chicago in suggesting that a player's representation would have little effect because I genuinely believe that if you guys organize yourselves, it would provide team and player with an effective representation that has some real power..
For all the faults the Millennium guys have (and there are many) they do listen when you grab them by the throat and apply pressure (metaphorical pressure) but if you got no voice, then why should they listen to anything?
I have always gotten on OK with Laurent and with Baldrick (when he's gets off his high horse), Barry is an OK guy and Manfred, well he don't say much anyway.
As for pedro, well, I will no waste no more typing time on him but I think sometimes the Millennium board (as a collective decision making body) display mild signs of Asberger's syndrome because they seem to be blissfully unaware of how they are coming across and seem bewildered when sh!t like this comes raining down.
In this sense, ulrich is merely a convenient tool maybes to push it through but I can't believe they will use him in this way when it has the propensity to backfire so badly.


All the time there is no effective competition in terms of an alternate league in Europe, then they can do pretty much what they like, especially when you guys cannot even bother to organize yourselves.

I think it's time we had some competition in Europe in terms of an alternate league.... Hmmmmmmm..... there was an opportunity not so long ago whereby I was made aware of a certain individual's interest in doing just that and I was being consulted as to its viability and potential but for one reason or another, it was decided to shelve the idea ... I hope he changes his mind because isn't competition a good thing ?

 

[Chicago]

Well, I don't think a player's organization would necessarily have little effect - I just think that if you're going to go through the bother of putting together a player's organization, you might as well just run the events yourself. It's not like putting on paintball tournaments is in any way difficult, the big thing is getting people to show up. And since you'd be the player's organization, you'd get to pick where people showed up.

Now, that assumes that running these paintball leagues is profitable. If it's not, then a player's organization isn't going to make one bit of difference, as the people running the events are just going to tell you no, knowing full well that you can't run a league either.

 

[agge]

Agge, and are you trying to tell me ulrich didn't realize any of that BEFORE he sent that out?
For fukk sake mate, ulrich knew full well what he was doing and it's no fackin good going through the motions of a lip service apology to appease you on the end of the phone.
Nah, I ain't having any of that sh!t, this stinks !!!

No, I am not trying to tell you that. I think he realised lots of it but not all. I am as pissed as everybody else, in fact I got so offended that I thrashed my hotel room when I found out, not a good thing of course but I just had to let my anger out...

I agree we should not be treated like this, it stinks and it stinks bad. I don´t know what to do mate, people have tried to organise a union but failed, and I am in no position to do it either.

/agge

 

[agge]

Ah, but in this case, I think the MESSAGE is the important part



Nick

Nick, the message is important BUT in this case, the way it was presented is as important. We are all grown up men and we do not deserve to be talked to in this way. WE (together with the sponsors) are in fact paying THEIR salaries, so he should think very carefully how he treats us. It fcuking offends me and I know it does to most people and this **** has to stop. The series should not have a messenger who runs around threatening US THE PAYING CUSTOMERS like he does. Its in no interrest of the series to piss off its customers as they have yet again...

 

[Dusty]

Nick, the message is important BUT in this case, the way it was presented is as important. We are all grown up men and we do not deserve to be talked to in this way. WE (together with the sponsors) are in fact paying THEIR salaries, so he should think very carefully how he treats us. It fcuking offends me and I know it does to most people and this **** has to stop. The series should not have a messenger who runs around threatening US THE PAYING CUSTOMERS like he does. Its in no interrest of the series to piss off its customers as they have yet again...

But you are still going to go..............

You are absolutely right in what you say, but at the end of it all you will still play the Millenium series, and they know it.

 

[Robbo]

Ya know what, the more I think about this debacle, the worse it is.
Let's for the moment assume the Millennium guys are pushing through a price rise for the right reasons, and here I am referring to any reasons other than wanting to put more money in their pockets.
Let's also assume, these changes to procedure and price were thrust upon them and the time-line was pretty much outside of their control.
Now I know these are two quite big assumptions to make but bear with me a while please.

OK, so, we now have the Millennium board all sitting there with a price rise they are forced to put on the teams and they have to do it quickly, now this is where it all starts to go wrong in my head and is totally indefensible.

The Millennium board are well aware of ulrich's problem with communication, he is pretty much reviled by a lot of players and teams and his rudeness and lack of social skills have been not only been documented many times before but also bought to their attention many times before.
I personally have had several conversations with Laurent, Barry and Steve Baldwin about ulrich and made it very plain how this ******* comes across to the paying customer.

My point here, it's not as if the Millennium board are unaware of ulrich's behavior problems when dealing with their customers. and yet they STILL allow him to communicate with their CUSTOMERS.

For fukk's sake, what's happening here when a proven pig is continually allowed to interface with one's customers???

This situation just would not be allowed to continue in the real world of commerce (customer supply and satisfaction), stahr would have been sacked a long time ago for even thinking about talking to customers in the way he does.

AT the moment, I am getting on really well with Steve Baldwin and the rest of the guys on the Millennium (except pedro) and I don't really wanna rock the boat in this sense but I will not stand by and see this fackkin piece of pompous sh!t talk to friends of mine as though they were like him, sh!t.

There is just no defence whatsoever in allowing stahr to continue in his job in dealing with customers. I have just picked up a message on my ansafone from Barry and so I'll call him back later today to see what's going down here.

Ya know what, if there was another league series in competition with the Millennium, I am convinced there is no way they would dare compromise the relationship they have with their paying customers (teams), it just wouldn't be happening and that fact alone makes me grind my teeth a little.

Now this ain't just me here so it's no good any of the Millennium guys focusing on me to deflect what's coming, I know Agge a little, not really well but enough to know he ain't no hothead or unreasonable, and if stahr can get this guy so worked up and annoyed so as to provoke Agge to smash his room, what the hell does this tell you about stahr???
And once again, coz it's worth repeating, this is one of the Millennium's CUSTOMERS !!!!!!

 

[Robbo]

But you are still going to go..............

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..because it's the only game in town..for the time being ...

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

I agree we should not be treated like this, it stinks and it stinks bad. I don´t know what to do mate, people have tried to organise a union but failed, and I am in no position to do it either.

Well, have a look at the pb.se forum and back my plan dude

Nick

 

[Freddie Brockdorff]

Hmmm... Well IF this increase in entry fees somehow has something to do with the fact, that we can expect all-round better tournaments this season - THEN shouldn´t we, the paying customers, still actually know what we are paying for.... before paying?!

ANY sort of official (!) explanation about this 17,5 % VAT suddenly being put on top of all fees would be usefull ? IF the VAT was in fact a part of the fees last season, then this is just a simple increase - if NOT then erhm why? What changed since last year??