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Fisz

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Having a couple more venues like D7's and the NQ would do far more to bring the level of play up than a UK league - esp. if there was genuine Industry backing in the form of subsidised Pro Coaching (sponsored by Paint companies) and Coaches employed by those sites (maybe financially assisted by Gun/Clothing Manufacturers?) who would hold regular workshops/clinics and also have structured drills already set-up that teams or individuals could do all day
Let's suppose I'm representing one of these companies. How is subsidising your pro coaches going to boost my business? I think it would be better if I concentrated my sponsorship programs on teams/players that have already shown that they at least want to become better by using the resources they have at their disposal and show some dedication.

Please give me a good reason.
 

Bon

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You have relatives in Manhattan. Wow... That makes you an expert, no doubt.

Instead of basing your statements on what you know about a handful of people, try looking up some facts, they are easy to come by with this internet thingy.
Take it from somebody who has lived in the US.... They DON'T get as much time off as we do. When you start a new job, often you only get two weeks paid vacation a year. That's it. Your allowance goes up when you stay loyal to the company, but you have to be working for a looooooooooong time if you want to reach European levels.
I suggest you retract that knobjockey remark somewhat quickish. It does not improve on my mood. If you can not deal with people debunking some of your points, don't engage in a debate. It's really that simple.

Anyway, back on topic.
I also know about the cost of living in the UK, I have lived there too. It is indeed more expensive to be living in the UK compared to, for example, Holland, but not much more. The Dutch pay more taxes than the British do, but we have a slightly higher income on avarage, which more or less balances things out. Prices in the UK are only slightly higher than in Holland, particularly since we switched to the Euro.

Money isn't the real issue. Yeah, paintball isn't cheap, but it's also expensive in the US, even though it costs less than it costs here, but that applies to pretty much everything.
Since the arrival of things like Reball, the finances have really degraded to what they are: the weakest f*cking excuse there is.
With reball the cost of training is air for the day, and a sandwich in between training sessions.

It's all about HOW you practice. Russian Legion, as pointed out, have shown you the way, and Joy have followed that path. The results are self evident.

Well although some parts of that is true on the finance bit, I disagree with others.

Where im at the closest place to me for re-ball training is what like 2-3 hours drive away, the local pb park is 10 mins.

So by the time u factor in fuel costs, i end up paying the same no matter what, so yea its all about finances for some of us, im a student and its rarely i have the spare money to do something paintball related - and when i do get that £30-£40 around, I dont want to realy spend it on a day of training unless theres somewhere special to go and do it for a good reason, when I do get the money id rather have some fun so I go punter-hunting.

Don't get me wrong I would LOVE to go and train every couple of weeks with some pro's but I seriously just couldnt afford it. I mean the worst thing this month was finding out that I wont have the money to go to the Robbo clinic, so please, such a statement about re-ball training isnt exactly fair, as still a lot of people dont have it viably available to them
 

Hoodless ECI

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I think as a community we have A LOT to give.
We do have the resources out there it's just how to harness that support that is the question.
I was thinking, what if we try to approach company's OUTSIDE of the circuit/scene itself and bring them into the sport.
there are already outside company's providing sponsorship for team's.
and yes there are sponsor's that even sponsor leagues.
we just need a way of activly involving a company/representitive within the sport and really promoting them to give them a better deal.

I think Tom hit it on the head earlier, with ONE league that everyone filters into.
we just simply can't carry on with leauges competing against eachother. How accessible the leauges will be can be determined at a later date.
but i definatly support that idea

It's just like the states, there's huge battles out there for league popularity.

Bah.

One day someone will figure something clever out and save the british leagues and paintballing scene from turning into one big messy frenzy.

But until that day.
I Love paintball here.

:cool: Balloon
 

Exile

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Let's suppose I'm representing one of these companies. How is subsidising your pro coaches going to boost my business? I think it would be better if I concentrated my sponsorship programs on teams/players that have already shown that they at least want to become better by using the resources they have at their disposal and show some dedication.

Please give me a good reason.
Please tell me you are playing Devils Advocate?

You tell me how a company giving £5 off a box of paint to any numpty team prepared to wear it's logo is Sponsorship dollars well spent?

You tell me that you want to spend your money on Teams/Players that are dedicated - what is more dedicated than a player/team training every weekend? And I'm talking about 45mins warm-up, Basic skills drills repeated constantly and every time - not just when you feel like it, coaches giving advice on improving stance/technique, then those drills repeated, finally a warm-down at the end of a day, y'know - REAL training. Like the sort that proper Athletes do all the time.

99% of UK teams couldn't TRAIN to save their lives. And that is why we fail.
 

WEEBLE1

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Jan 10, 2006
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I DO believe, that I have made some very valid points, in my posts, I'm very sorry if I've rattled a few cages, but I have been playin paintball off/on since 1986, and I think that it could be in trouble in the UK @ the mo. :confused:

Alot of people seem to be just quittin, as due to lack of interest, funds or whatever - this is not good for the sport anywhere- not just the UK.

Lets all stop falling out, thinking that 'we' or 'me' has the answer to a problem, with NO answer....BUT like I've said, as others, I think a National UK Paintball League, would do us ALL a world of good...I'm not just talking about financially, but its the exposure that would be the best outcome of the situation.

What would be the problem, of finding out, who the best team is in the UK, after all, UK sport, infact all major sporting countries, have leagues for ALL sporting trends, that rank teams, individuals and COUNTRIES, so what makes Paintball the all high and mighty ?

Sorry for ranting on, its just that ANY improvement on the 'scene' has to be a good improvement. :eek:
 

Tom Allen

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no one is arguing that this training needs to be done, what we're saying is, to get enough players there needs to be a radical change to the current way paintball is organised.
 

WEEBLE1

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You tell me how a company giving £5 off a box of paint to any numpty team prepared to wear it's logo is Sponsorship dollars well spent?
Pretentious or what ?
Who gave YOU the right to call any team NUMPTY ???

Doesnt matter if they are KOTH, div 1 or div 4.... they wanna play paintball....u pratt.....its remarks like that, what put people off playin ! :mad:
 

NinthWizard

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I am new to paintball and since i have started (about 8 weeks ago) every chance i have had i've tried to play. I don't think i am that good, but i really wanna get better. I am going to NQ whenever i can and just putting in the effort and asking questions. When i was younger i used to play football and squash both at quite a high level. With those sports the guidance was amazing you knew exactly what to do and had the coaches and the facilities in place to better yourself and get yourself in a team or at least scouted for a team. So far with paintball i have found that (no disrespect to anyone) the info isnt really at hand, trying to find training sesions, trials for teams, regular coaching sesions. I'd love a reball centre where you could do mid-week training indoor at night after work for most people. I know i personally i have the drive to succeed, i just dont really know where i am going in all honesty. People also need pushing especially kids with potential who dont realise what they could be (like in any sport). I think to get people interested in the sport you have to reach the masses if only to inform them of what paintball is, and we all know how to do that. MEDIA. I do believe that a national league will work. It works in all sports, e.g. football. The best teams go off and play against other countries best teams (european cup, champions league) and you can draw a national squad from that league that can play a World Cup. This wont happen tomorrow but it has to be the future of the sport.
 

Matski

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mattski what you said about the best team in teh uk getting nothing out of a league like tom says is rubbish mate .. so your saying basically that dynasty in 05 (won everything) that there was no point to that? what do you think the nppl is? its 1 big league in america where all teh top teams play every country has the talent to play competitive paintball at the highest level its the fact that paintball is the 3rd biggest extreme sport in america that helps them find teh talent all paintball is to msot kids in the uk is shooting eachother in teh woods and this is due to lack of media exposure .... there are always people out there (no mater the country) with natural talent but the problem is taht th uk does not encourage these people enough .. a lot of people who would probably be amazing at paintball probably dont even know what sup air is

its all about media coverage and exposure the more you advertise something the more it sticks in peoples mind the more it sticks in peoples mind the more it takes off

every country has the talent but not every country has the means of discorvering it and building on it

andy

Andy - Firstly, thanks for giving me a crash course in advertising.

I thought it was obvious that winning a national league in the US is very different to winning a national league in the UK because most of the best teams in the world compete in the US. Hell, winning a national league like the NPPL is worth more than winning a 'whole European series' like the Millennium. That is why I was also talking about the comparative value difference of national leagues between the nations. To be top of a UK league you would have serious competition in the form of what? Kellys? Euro Nexus, Tigers, Shock, and a few more. In the states these teams would not be able to realistically compete in the same div that they could over here. If you have the objective of competiting on an international level i.e. with America, then what is a UK league worth?...Not much. A UK league is only really going to be as good as the best team in that league and the best team is not going to get any better by playing lesser teams. I guess it depends what your objectives are.

Just to clarify - winning a UK league would make a team 'the UK's best team', winning a national league in America like Dynasty did in 05 made them (as if they were not already) one of the very best in the world.